极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Stephen Fry, Job, and the Cross of Jesus https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:54:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Chowl https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-183124 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 21:54:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-183124 [children dying of wasting diseases] might in fact be construed as an avenue to something unsurpassably good.

Do tell.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Scott Harrison https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-131877 Wed, 17 Jun 2015 19:47:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-131877 "unsurpassably good" ... Really? You'd use that crass explanation to women and children in a queue to the Auschwitz gas chambers? There is something disgusting in Christian theodicy, and I'm not sure Jesus would have bothered with it at all.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-100028 Wed, 11 Mar 2015 17:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-100028 In reply to Doug Shaver.

By "always as such" I mean "eternally so", without beginning or end. I do not mean "for all time" since time is finite, with space-time having a beginning and most likely an end.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-99362 Tue, 10 Mar 2015 01:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-99362 In reply to Peter.

Hence the traditional excuse of atheists for features of the universe not requiring an explanation no longer exists.

I have no good reason to believe in God. It's the only excuse I need for not believing, if I need any.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-99026 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 15:50:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-99026 In reply to Peter.

The features of the universe were considered by atheists to have always been as such and therefore not require an explanation.

"Always" means "for all time."

However, the beginning of space-time means that the particular features of the universe have not always been as such.

The beginning of space-time was also the beginning of the universe. This means there was no time when the universe did not exist. Therefore, the universe has always had whatever features it has had since it began to exist.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Daniel Bastian https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-99005 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 14:47:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-99005 In reply to Peter.

And I've already explained to you dozens of times now that this statement tells us nothing. I could just as easily make up a fictional character and say that that character's design is nature. It gets us nowhere. What is your evidence that could distinguish between your claim that *your* God's design is nature and my claim that the design of the character I have in my head is nature?

Until you can answer this question, your assertion is a vacuous as the space between the stars.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-98942 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 12:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-98942 In reply to Peter.

I made no such proclamation.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-98933 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 10:48:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-98933 In reply to Doug Shaver.

The features of the universe were considered by atheists to have always been as such and therefore not require an explanation. However, the beginning of space-time means that the particular features of the universe have not always been as such. Hence the traditional excuse of atheists for features of the universe not requiring an explanation no longer exists.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-98927 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 10:41:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-98927 In reply to Doug Shaver.

The features of the universe were considered by atheists to have always been as such and therefore not require an explanation. However, the beginning of space-time means that the particular features of the universe have not always been as such. Hence the traditional excuse of atheists for features of the universe not requiring an explanation no longer exists.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter https://strangenotions.com/stephen-fry-job-and-the-cross-of-jesus/#comment-98924 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 10:31:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5029#comment-98924 In reply to Doug Shaver.

If a philosopher of his stature denies that the universe is a brute fact, it cannot be valid to proclaim it as unassailable truth that the universe is a brute fact.

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