极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Robots and the Resurrection https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sat, 18 Dec 2021 18:03:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Justafoolagain https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-225278 Sat, 18 Dec 2021 18:03:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-225278 Did Jesus resurrect in Heaven or in Hell?
Scriptures, as they often do, give both options as true.
The Bible does what it was created by the Jewish authors to do. Make us question and judge.
Without Midrash, the Bible is just another useless myth.
In one version, Jesus tells his fellow prisoner on the cross that they will both awaken in heaven.
Another version has Jesus awakening in hell, where he toils for 3 days.
One old adage might say, if one day is 1,000 years, Jesus is almost at his 2 year mark.
There is a confusion as to who received Jesus as a sacrifice; Satan or the androgenous Yahweh.
If sacrificed to Satan, she rules the world.
If sacrificed to Yahweh, Jesus rules the world.
Into whose hands did Jesus ascend, Satan’s or Yahweh’s?
I cannot know where Jesus ended via the bible, but think there is a valuable moral lesson here, but do not quite have my finger on what it is. Help.
What is your best guess as to where Jesus is?
Regards
DL

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极速赛车168官网 By: pan pan https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-205018 Sun, 10 Nov 2019 10:23:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-205018 If you understand things and you have fantasy read the follow:
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03298-6

Our future is arranged!

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极速赛车168官网 By: Phil Tanny https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-204905 Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:21:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-204905 In reply to BTS.

What is self-evident is that our existence involves struggle.

Yes, casting my vote here. All life involves struggle, and our struggle tends to be of a more psychological nature given that thought is to us what wings are to a bird, and fins are to a fish.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Phil Tanny https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-204903 Wed, 06 Nov 2019 13:10:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-204903 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

Original Sin is fundamentally just the idea that at some point something has gone wrong

Almost. I would put it this way instead. We were given a very powerful tool with which to make our living on this Earth, which comes with a very big price tag. The tool is thought, the price tag is the experience of division.

Is this "something gone wrong"? Well, there's certainly plenty of suffering involved, as the price tag is steep. But then we don't have to sleep in holes in the ground like so many other creatures, so there's that.

On balance, it seems to label the emergence of thought in human beings as bad would be to complain about God, given that being immersed in thought was not a choice we made.

A better approach would seem to be to understand the price tag, and learn how to manage it in as constructive a manner as possible, accepting as we do that a perfect management is unlikely to ever be possible.

It's fundamentally an optimistic doctrine, because it implies that there is a place of ultimate belonging and that at some point there will be a joyous homecoming.

"Original sin" as I've defined it is mostly optimistic, as there are simple mechanical solutions available to almost everybody which can address the price tag to a significant, but not perfect, degree. And do so almost immediately.

"Original sin" as Catholics define it is basically a horror show where threats of eternal violence are leveled at frail human beings, and then the frail human beings are blamed for the horror show that they didn't invent, and the payday is a vague maybe someday off in the future business.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Phil Tanny https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-204902 Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:56:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-204902 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

But we don't need to understand all of reality to see that some propositions are logically incoherent, for example.

Which may or may not be relevant to the subjects being discussed. Members seem incapable of grasping that the concept of "logically incoherent" was invented by a species with thousands of hydrogen bombs aimed down it's own throat, an ever present existential threat it finds too boring to discuss. That is, a logically incoherent species, or rather a literally insane species.

And we don't need to understand all of reality to see that any understanding of reality will necessarily be founded on certain principles.

Again the assumption that reality is required to comply with our rules. That's like saying the ocean is required to comply with rules cooked up by a grain of sand.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Jim (hillclimber) https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-203356 Sat, 21 Sep 2019 18:08:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-203356 In reply to Dennis Bonnette.

That's all perfectly fair, but I would want to add that the sin of "cafeteria Catholicism" has many forms, including some forms that masquerade as "traditional Catholicism".

For example, the logic of your first paragraph (which, I want to emphasize, I find perfectly valid) can easily be manipulated so that one ends up selectively ignoring some magisterial teachings because of a private judgement that they are not "sufficiently in conformity with the general teachings of the Church".

None of this is to take away from your valid point, it is only to suggest that "cafeteria Catholic" epithet can be hurled in both liberal and conservative directions.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Dennis Bonnette https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-203335 Sat, 21 Sep 2019 16:48:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-203335 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

I am not judging Bishop Barron here, but I would note that the magisterial force of any bishop's teaching is measured by its conformity to the general teachings of the Church.

It is one thing to err in one's beliefs innocently. But it is another when one knows the teaching of the Magisterium and still deliberately dissents, especially by public advocacy of such dissent.

There is such a thing as "sentire cum Ecclesia," "thinking with the Church," which all Catholics are called to do. Dissenters become "Cafeteria Catholics," who pick and choose their beliefs.

We used to have another name for them. The were called "Protestants."

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极速赛车168官网 By: Dennis Bonnette https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-203334 Sat, 21 Sep 2019 16:43:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-203334 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

You are in general correct here. My only hesitancy is that the monitum still stands as of this moment, meaning that the Holy Office in 1962 found Teilhard's writings "swarming with theological errors."

The fact that a certain insight from Teilhard may be reinterpreted in a manner consonant with orthodoxy is not a case of general absolution -- just as we can thank Communism for highlighting the abysmal conditions of the working class.

If you read Teilhard's actual writings in the context of his own worldview, his orthodoxy is besmudged with those "theological errors."

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极速赛车168官网 By: Jim (hillclimber) https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-203324 Sat, 21 Sep 2019 11:55:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-203324 In reply to Dennis Bonnette.

the faithful, for their part, are obliged to submit to their bishops' decision, made in the name of Christ, in matters of faith and morals, and to adhere to it with a ready and respectful allegiance of mind.

So, if Bishop Barron, in a YouTube video that surely counts as ordinary magisterial teaching, is advocating that we express our ecclesiology in terms of degrees of participation rather than "either you're in or you're out", should we not give some allegiance of mind to this teaching?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Jim (hillclimber) https://strangenotions.com/robots-and-the-resurrection/#comment-203323 Sat, 21 Sep 2019 10:53:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7565#comment-203323 In reply to Dennis Bonnette.

This loyal submission of the will and intellect must be given, in a special way, to the authentic teaching authority of the Roman Pontiff, even when he does not speak ex cathedra

OK, but in that case, let us loyally submit our intellects to ordinary magisterial teaching that encourages us to use Teilhardian expressions of the faith in at least some cases, as in Laudato Si, where we read this nod to Teilhard's Omega Point: "... all creatures are moving forward with us and through us towards a common point of arrival, which is God, in that transcendent fullness where the risen Christ embraces and illumines all things." (And note that I am not imagining the connection to Teilhard, because the preceding sentence in the encyclical refers to an endnote with explicit reference to him.)

In other words, let us note that ordinary magisterial teaching itself recognizes that at least one of Teilhard's most central ideas illumines, and does not detract from, our faith. Let us note that magisterial teaching itself takes valid expressions of the faith wherever it finds them and does not insist on drawing ideas only from exemplars of orthodoxy.

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