极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Irreconcilable Differences: The Divorce of Materialism and Truth https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Aurelian Parvu https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-193376 Thu, 13 Sep 2018 17:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-193376 Excelent article, although I dont agree with every idea. „But what then in regards to the proper conception of the human person itself? We have rejected materialism and we must also reject a dualist account, most prominently because of the mysterious and almost magical notion of how these two substances of an immaterial mind and material body would come together to interact.” This notion is mysterious or magical because an immaterial form of existance--spirit or ether-- is mysterious.About the conection between body and soul Gregory Palamas said that it is indeed mysterious.

But this monist antimaterialism fails because it denies the subtle anatomy.Therefore the most convenable Weltenschaung is the panentheism, the onthological dualism.

There is not a definitive scientific answear to the question whether the elementary particle have a diameter or are punctiform (zero diameter). If they are not punctiform, the question about what is there inside the elementary particle is a question which makes sense, and there will be only 2 possibilities : 1)there is nothing inside the electron/foton/neutryno/etc ;2) there is something. The first possibility fails because the elementary particles have (material) properties and all properties of a thing (including the capability of changing some properties) are caused not uncaused and are caused from inside by the components of the respective thing.If the elementary particles have no structure (components), their properties would be uncaused . If something exists inside the elementary particles, that is they have a structure, their components must be immaterial because they are elementary partcile, which means they are not composed from other material particles.The algoritm would be like that:inside the electron/foton something does exist but in the same time the electron has no material components.Therefore the elementary particles have a subtle structure, have some immaterial components which cause the material properties of the elemetary particles.This subtle compnents, that could be similar to the strings from the string theory, have no material properties, have not inertia but they cause the inertia of the particle , the speed ,spin and all other material properties.
But this silogism would be valid only if the elementary particles have indeed a nonzero diammeter.However, a particle with zero diameter seems absurd to me because:1) The point , which is an infinitely small place (zero) does not exist in reality ;2) the elementary particles would be smaller than the Planck length.

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极速赛车168官网 By: michael https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-191904 Tue, 24 Jul 2018 21:42:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-191904 Catholic defenses of Evolution are basically "Well, in 1950 the Pope said it's compatible with Scripture, and h'es The Pope, so it must be" which is not a satisfactory answer to me as an atheist and ex-catholic. To say it is compatible with Scripture depends on the Pope's say-so, which depends on the belief that The Pope is infallible, which depends on the belief that what The Pope says is right, and so on. Consistent, straightforward reasoning doesn't point to this. It points to the understanding that Evolution & Scripture are not compatible, and that the first 12 chapters of Genesis are obvious childish fairy tales.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-159540 Sun, 06 Mar 2016 04:21:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-159540 "If the exact same natural physical laws that govern the human person’s belief-making mechanisms do lead to both true and false beliefs, then the human person cannot rationally hold that any particular belief is actually true, rather than only appearing to be true."

This seems to be seriously questionable. Because we can come to true or false beliefs, no one can ever say a belief is true, does not seem to follow from these premises. Now, the article's point seems to be that the Catholic view is preferable. Does the writer really maintain that the Catholic formula will always lead to truth? Claiming that seems even more questionable.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Murray https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-149427 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 04:00:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-149427 In reply to wpirotte.

For the record, Einstein believed in God,

Which God ?

Darwin’s reply, penned on 24 November 1880 – exactly 21 years after the publication of On the Origin of Species – was blunt:

Dear Sir,
I am sorry to have to inform you that I do not believe in the Bible as a divine revelation & therefore not in Jesus Christ as the son of God.
Yours faithfully
Ch. Darwin

http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/sep/15/charles-darwin-letter-auction-religion-bible-creationism#comment-59586739

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极速赛车168官网 By: wpirotte https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-149426 Tue, 22 Sep 2015 03:23:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-149426 I really only have one response: Materialism as the article describes it is a construct of the article, and its definition has virtually no counterpart in our world. In other words, there are few, if any, true proponents of Materialism. Obviously, more's the pity. Perhaps it would be best if I would accuse the author of very politely granting Materialism a position it does not deserve. While I respect the author's extreme understatements in regard to materialism eventually discovering how things work, I think his subtlety is ill advised. If he was trying to take a subtle jab, I am going to use a tire iron. No, I have not missed the point of his elegant exercise in logic. I want to demonstrate that one of the teams in the game does not really exist.

Materialism, in an alarming number of its manifestations, is not the pursuit of the belief that everything around us can be reduced to matter and energy, in their myriad forms. Rather, it is the manipulation of the truth under the facade of materialism as Mr. Lewandowski defines it. It is the camouflaged attack against values, and the true implications of this perversity can only be seen in its effects. However, the mechanism of manipulation can be very easily observed. If Materialism is really concerned with the pursuit of truth, why all the manipulations?

Materialism is the de facto religion of all too many otherwise rational people. Materialism has evolved (pardon requested) into something with every negative thing that organized religion can suffer from, and little, if anything, in the way of positive religious aspects. The Big Bang is Genesis without a God. But TBB violates known physics at its inception, and for a few hundred thousand years after inception. TBB is actually being challenged by the scientific community from whence it sprung, right now. [Shall we burn these heretics?] But we are supposed to accept its shortcomings on FAITH. Dark matter - the dog ate our homework. Dark energy - well, it sprang (if that's a word) from the Cosmological Constant, which Einstein rued. It is a derivation, in part, of dark energy. The whole thing is just a big mess, but you need to accept, on FAITH, that we will work it out in the end. Please pass the Funding, I'm hungry again. If you are a scientist and you rock this boat, your employment and career is severely threatened. Even Steven Hawking confessed to bludgeoning a fellow academician into submission and then finding out Hawking was wrong. While I don't have a lot of respect for Hawking's heavy plagiarization of "The Universe and Dr. Einstein", he does show a disarming honesty on occasion.

Side Rant: Einstein NEVER posited that gravitons exist (matter bends the fabric of space, dummy) and yet EGO LIGO VIRGO test for their existence. Why can't we just measure the effects of the sun and moon - hey, maybe ask a fisherman - instead of reaching out billions and billions of Sagan miles for gravitons? And why build earth-based laboratories, subject to unpredictable interferences (pun intended). I wonder how many people know that Caltech celebrated a LACK of detection of expected events? What gonads! We make fun of people who predict the end of the world when it doesn't happen. Why am I picking on LIGO? Because it was faith-based, and it all the rage to pick on faith-based enterprises, n'est-ce pas? But mostly because no part of it was concerned with useful, accountable, practical application of [ideal] Materialism/Science. It was a brilliant financial sham. Or perhaps it was just ego, brazenly indicated by one of the project acronyms. Yeah, I'm jealous. I wish I could get other people to fund my hobbies and then give them nothing in return.

String Theory was dismissed because it lacked political clout. Intelligent Design was condemned as pseudo science by those whose very fundamentals do not employ science in any kind of pure form. Biologists whom have devoted their entire careers to making fruit-flies mutate have thrown in the towel, but you would never hear that from the Evolvers. But here's my favorite: the Universe created itself, anti-matter and anti-energy winking in and out of existence like fireflies on a warm summer evening. Only...Who started the universes and anti-universes? Well, no one, actually. There is no chicken and egg question to answer, because we don't feel up to the math. And occasionally, we hear a quiet little scientist admit that we can never know what is actually happening because it is hidden away in dark this dark that or other, inaccessible, dimensions. How convenient. Keep the faith, baby!

Philosophical Materialism begat Financial Materialism, and we are living, day by day, with the grotesque display of Science masquerading as the discovery of truth. Our food is unhealthy, our societies crumble before multi-national corporate goals, our planet is dying. I don't actually believe we have caused global warming or whatever it's called this week. But our rain forests are decimated and our seas are over fished. While Americans pretend not to understand that our consumer goods are produced by slave labor, we do understand that the factories are gone. This is Materialism.

Darwin never directly stated that men are just animals, because he was afraid of the implications and the blame he would have to shoulder. [Incidentally, he did not come up with Evolutionary Theory - it was his grandfather - really!!!] But we live in his shadow. We no longer have the child-labor so common in his dear England. Instead, the wealthiest of nations kill their unborn and euthanize their elderly - one can only wonder if THIS is the true price of materialism - to kill when it is not even required to survive.

Yes, I am a Luddite. And no, all science is not bad science. Pythagoras worked out acoustic theory without an oscilloscope and buildings don't fall over because of him. Without unselfish pioneers we wouldn't have the internet and I couldn't subject innocent people to my opinion. And my computer can play articulations of a viola recorded by Austrian virtuosi while I fumble at a keyboard which communicates in base 16 language with my binary workhorse.

For the record, Einstein believed in God, and any negative inferences you may conclude about him from my remarks are a shortcoming in my communication skills.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Boris https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-123058 Mon, 18 May 2015 15:32:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-123058 "if complete skepticism is false, then materialism is also false." Skepticism is not something that is either true or false. It's descriptive not prescriptive. What you are doing is telling people not to doubt so much. You'll have to excuse us for doubting everything you wrote and everything you believe. That's because it ain't true.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Pofarmer https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-115596 Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-115596 In reply to Andre Vlok.

"someone will one day have to deal with his critique."

Not really. Scientists will just keep going the direction they're going an Nagel will fade away.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-115560 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 23:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-115560 In reply to Phil.

Let's try it.

https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-1980787811

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极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-115548 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:20:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-115548 In reply to Luke C..

Yes, that's the one. And thank you for the info.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/irreconcilable-differences-the-divorce-of-materialism-and-truth/#comment-115536 Sun, 26 Apr 2015 15:10:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5358#comment-115536 In reply to Roger.

Why can we attest that logic is an absolute truth instead of just an evident truth?

We can't. It seems to us that logic is absolutely true, but that is only because it is apparently true. Some future, much more advanced civilization may demonstrate that we are doing logic all wrong, or looking at the nature of truth all wrong. We cannot know ahead of time that this won't happen, so we cannot know that ANYTHING is absolute truth. There is so much absolute truth inside the human mind. We always lose at least a part of the truth when we simply reality to put it in terms we can understand. If you respect Paul, believe him, not me, 1 Corinthians 13:

8 Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end. 9 For we know only in part, and we prophesy only in part; 10 but when the complete comes, the partial will come to an end. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became an adult, I put an end to childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly,[b] but then we will see face to face. Now I know only in part; then I will know fully, even as I have been fully known. 13 And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love.

Christianity made a HUGE mistake when it began to believe it was peddling absolute truth. This idea is the sin of pride, nothing more, nothing less. Only God has absolute truth, it was never for man.

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