极速赛车168官网 Comments on: What Faith Is and What it Isn’t https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:44:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: TheDreadedGug https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-153195 Tue, 03 Nov 2015 19:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-153195 That is remarkably helpful. Thank you.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ph.Lestang https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-35347 Wed, 06 Nov 2013 13:11:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-35347 Hi.
One aspect is missing in the above post: the openness - or not - of the person. God is considered by many as "impossible". See my book "Le fait Jesus".

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ph.Lestang https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-35048 Mon, 04 Nov 2013 17:27:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-35048 Hi,
What is missing, in my view, in the above text, is the notion of "openness": most people are not open. If not christians, they consider God as "impossible" (outside the boundaries of what the reason may accept).
For those who read French, see my book "Le fait Jésus" (Actes Sud ed.)

(My previous comments didn't appear, it seems)

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极速赛车168官网 By: Philippe Lestang https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-35028 Mon, 04 Nov 2013 16:42:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-35028 Hi! For those of you who read French, see my comment about this article on http://croistu.wordpress.com/2013/11/01/ce-quest-la-foi/.

Basically: What is missing in the above text is the notion of "openness": most people are not open. If not christians, they consider God as "impossible" (outside the boundaries of what the reason may accept).

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极速赛车168官网 By: Alan Wostenberg https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-35006 Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:02:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-35006 In reply to felixcox.

Felixcox, is the choice really between being "comfortable remaining gullible" and hyper-skepticism? Might there be a middle ground?

If somebody I trust says X is true, I'm likely to believe X, even if X is an invisible entity. For example, I believe the scientists and textbooks testifying such invisible entities as black holes exist. I've not worked through the evidence to transform that belief in to knowledge proper, and why should I? I've no reason to distrust the scientists.

Likewise, I've no reason to distrust the testimony of credible competent sources about such incorporeal persons as God and the angels.

As for your example of "garden fairies" and "invisible dwarfs guarding the pot of gold" nobody I trust has claimed they exist.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-34834 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 12:02:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-34834 In reply to Ben @ 2CM.

Actually both justifications you proposed for cannibalism are based on reason. If god exists and you have good evidence that he told you you should eat people, it is reasonable to do so.

Depending on what you mean by prove I don't think one needs to prove things to believe them. you do need a reasonable basis though, but once you have this, there is no need for faith.

If you don't have a reasonable basis to say God told you to eat people, I don't care how much faith you have, I won't let you do it, because I have good reasons to stop you that have nothing to do with subjective faith.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Gordon Reid https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-34813 Fri, 01 Nov 2013 01:33:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-34813 This article purports to provide the Catholic answer to the question “What faith is and what it isn’t?” The question is raised because you apparently believe non-Catholics (especially atheists) have some misunderstanding on what faith is to a Catholic. You rightfully direct our attention to the central claim of your article.

For Catholics (and I would invite my Internet friends to pay very close attention here), authentic faith never involves a sacrificium intellectus (a "sacrifice of the
intellect").

Unfortunately, this claim is demonstrably false. Please note the word “never’. This is a very specific word that means not ever. When Savita Halappanavar died in Ireland because she could not get an abortion of a pregnancy that was killing her, she was told as she died the reason (i.e., “because this is a Catholic country”) that she would not receive the treatment intellectually known to be best. When Bishop Thomas J. Olmstead excommunicated Sister Margaret Mary McBride because she allowed an abortion to save the life of the mother versus allowing the death of both mother and unborn child, Catholic faith was used to supersede the best intellectual knowledge of proper medical practice.

If your claim had replaced the word “never” with something like “almost never” then the claim might change from being false to being true. But as it is written, it is false. My problem is not so much with whether the claim is true or false, my problem is with the profound lack of self knowledge reflected in your believing something about yourself that is demonstrably false.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ben @ 2CM https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-34749 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 17:08:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-34749 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

Brain,
Yes, you can (and should) question anything.
We all believe things we can’t prove. We all have a worldview. Using reason alone I can justify cannibalism as a good evolutionary strategy to eliminate a competing tribe and obtain a good source of protein at the same time. Using faith alone, can say cannibalism is good just because I believe it is and God told me so. Reality is a combination of physical laws and spiritual laws. We need more than only calculating logic to understand the reality of cannibalism or any other worldview. Reason alone is never enough.

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极速赛车168官网 By: bbrown https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-34737 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 13:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-34737 In reply to felixcox.

"Whatever the case may be, societies primarily comprised of atheists are doing just fine in northern europe."

Define "doing just fine".

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/what-faith-is-and-what-it-isnt/#comment-34734 Thu, 31 Oct 2013 12:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3791#comment-34734 In reply to Ben @ 2CM.

I know you are saying this, but I have no idea why. If I have a car and the fuel light comes on, reason tells me to refuel. How does faith help this decision or any other? I can't think of any circumstance where reason cant get it right without faith. but i can think of many where faith works against the best result. If i have faith that my car is so great that it can make it another 30 miles where the gas is cheaper and I run out of gas. I have faith that my prayers have cured my child of diabetes. I have faith that I am called to jihad, to a crusade. Such people can and do explain their actions as reasonable interpretation of scripture when done in faith. I can use reason to challenge these actions, but I can't question their faith.

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