极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Atheism, Prot-Enlight, and the Schizophrenic Republic https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 01 Oct 2024 23:58:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Tom More https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-257762 Tue, 01 Oct 2024 23:58:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-257762 Brilliant. Important. To be understood and shared. Reality cannot simply be ignored with an expectation of continuance.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Amrita Sharma https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-159496 Sat, 05 Mar 2016 06:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-159496 But here’s the real rub: such a distinction between the two ancient philosophers matters only because
we live in a more violently anti-realist Modern era, which put to death
(in popular thought) the Natural Law of Aristotle and of the Church’s
Scholastic philosophy.

http://www.discoveryofunknown.com/sammohan-shakti-mantra-for-love/

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极速赛车168官网 By: Simon K https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158672 Thu, 18 Feb 2016 09:29:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158672 Maybe I'm not part of the intended target audience for this article, but as a non-Aristotelian reading this, I'm not seeing a convincing argument for why I should replace my current views with Aristotelianism/Thomism. I used to be an atheist materialist; I came to theism, not through Aristotelianism-Thomism, but through idealism (my views are similar to, but not exactly the same as, Berkeley.) Us idealists may be a rare breed, but to me it makes sense in a way in which Aristotelianism-Thomism does not. I will be honest and say that central Aristotelian doctrines such as hylomorphism are simply unintelligible to me, despite having tried to understand them (and I will continue to try.)

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mike https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158644 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 20:43:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158644 In reply to Phil.

excellent little summary.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Hardy https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158629 Wed, 17 Feb 2016 01:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158629 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

This is all very loosey-goosey and analogical, so I don't expect it to
convince you, but I put this forward as one reasonable way of thinking
about the "intelligibility of nature".

For what it's worth, I don't expect to convince others, either. To me, the value comes from learning about new ways of understanding things. I appreciate your thoughts, and I do think you have offered a good explanation of your position. It has given me something to think about. I hope that my thoughts are of similar value to those I speak with.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Phil https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158604 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 21:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158604 In reply to Loreen Lee.

Hi loreenlee,

It ought to all form an organic whole. That is part of the beauty of the Aristotelian-Thomistic synthesis (this is not to say that the A-T system is the end-all be-all and that it gets everything 100% correct, since perfect knowledge is not possible in this life).

Natural law has a direct connection to teleology, which is known as "final causality" in the A-T system. What something is (its nature or "formal cause") is based upon the ends towards which it is directed, i.e., its final cause.

Now there is a distinction in how natural law applies to natural inert objects (e.g., rocks, clouds, planets, moons, etc), how it applies to objects created by humans (e.g., computers, cars, knives, etc), and how it applies to living beings (e.g., plants, plankton, penguins, and human persons). But this is only because these are intrinsically different types of objects. But the concept is the same: the type of object it is will dictate the ends towards which it is directed.

Now when it comes to persons with free will there is a further way that we can see natural law at work. Just as we see formal and final causes at work in all those above categories, so we see them at work in human actions in many various ways. Natural law shows us that all reality was created--from top to bottom--to flourish by acting in certain ways that are in line with its nature and final cause. When things are acting in accord with their nature they flourish, when they don't act in accord with their nature, they don't flourish. (Some get hung up here by pointing to evolution and the evolving of species. But that ain't no problem for Aristotle because the type of being it is shows forth what it means for it to flourish. So if a new animal comes into being, then a slightly different nature/form and final cause has also come into existence.)

Now, rocks, planets, plants, plankton, and penguins do not have a conceptional-rational intellect and free will, so they cannot direct themselves in congruence with the proper end of their nature. So when a penguin is not flourishing, it is not a moral issue. It is a moral issue when a human person does something that is not in accord with its nature.

For example--purposely killing an innocent human life undermines the natural end life for that human person. When we take it a step further from secular rational ethics into moral theology, we understand that harming another person also harms oneself. The human person is made to love and give ourselves so others may have life to the fullest. But killing another does not form ourself in the image of love. We deform our very being to the extent that we carry out immoral actions.

So in the end, if we wanna be happy and flourish--follow natural law and seek to unite ourselves with the end that God created for our human nature: unity with God himself in this life and eternally in the next!

Hope this helps some!

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极速赛车168官网 By: Loreen Lee https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158597 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 16:35:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158597 I seem to have lost 'evidence' of an attempt to respond to a comment by William Davis, which comment itself seems to have disappeared...So maybe it's getting to the point where I'm hallucinating!! But I found another comment on 'divinely instituted power' which I agree with. No more problems.
The difficulty is that I have been in discussion with respect to a lot of these issues in philosophy classes, etc. But for some reason, like your, or at least the Overlord's and Geena observation of 'my incoherence', I can't help but have some 'suspicion' that this is not my problem alone. Maybe the 'cause' is not 'conceptual'!!! :) but a 'product' of the 'design' or 'schemata' of com-box presentations. I do once again assert that I really want to 'leave' - that I don't 'really' need this....but the way in which this 'controversy' - presented before as the end of western civilization, enlightenment, etc. etc. in the news...has once again been presented in this OP. (correct term?) has been difficult for me to 'ignore'....
My 'problem' then, is that I just can't believe, that this examination gets to the 'core' of the issue....perhaps specifically in the relation presented between Protestantism and Enlightenment values. I guess I 'feel' that these may 'work out' on an abstract level, but I would suggest could not be 'coherently' exemplified. Have I said enough. And now I've got another problem- that of 'abstractions' in all their many modes, and contexts. If only there could be an End to philosophy....!!! And for you dear Hillclimber, perhaps it really is 'elementary' : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M76nPnaJ7G4

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极速赛车168官网 By: Loreen Lee https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158596 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:57:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158596 In reply to Rob Abney.

Another difficulty I have had with this post (lest I go into another crazy rant) involves a possible definition of natural law, - something perhaps omitted from this OP. I have always! understood natural law to describe? issues of morality. It would thus be distinguished from, and by the same 'measure' conformable to the acceptance of 'developing' theories? of physical laws related to the material universe. Correct me if I am wrong...or help me please, I'm 'falling'????

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极速赛车168官网 By: Loreen Lee https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158595 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:51:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158595 In reply to Luke Breuer.

I understood some recent remarks on this site as suggesting that Catholic doctrine (or dogma) does not arise from 'reason' or natural philosophy, etc. If this is true, is there a conflict/contradiction in the 'use' of Aristotle's philosophy as the basis of 'trans-substantiation' for instance. Please. Have I or have I not discovered? 'another' contradiction?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Loreen Lee https://strangenotions.com/atheism-prot-englight-and-the-schizophrenic-republic/#comment-158594 Tue, 16 Feb 2016 15:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6393#comment-158594 In reply to Will.

We don't even 'understand' language - either as a map or 'the' terrain!!!

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