极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Why Does the Universe Exist? Atheist Physicist Sean Carroll Answers… https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:05:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: ASCB https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-207003 Wed, 15 Jan 2020 23:05:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-207003 The number of myths atheists have to create in order to believe their world view is stunning.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-198059 Sun, 07 Apr 2019 04:39:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-198059 In reply to James.

a first class clown . . . full of crap . . . crop of mutts . . . . enemies of God himself . . . . produces nothing but gibberish

Brilliant critique!

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极速赛车168官网 By: James https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-198055 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 23:31:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-198055 Man, I'm late on this :)
But you do a fine job.
Carroll is a first class clown. It a pleasure to debate or critique well reasoned arguments even if you are diametrically opposed to them but Carroll’s in that class of atheists in which it becomes utterly pointless because he is so thoroughly full of crap that there's just no hope.

These types of people are actually not "Thinkers" at all. Carroll and this other current crop of mutts have set themselves up as enemies of God himself .. and that produces nothing but gibberish

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极速赛车168官网 By: michael https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-197373 Tue, 05 Mar 2019 21:02:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-197373 hat would convince me to believe in "God" as the term is define day Catholics is: God creates the world and immediately gives everyone The Beatific Version for free, and keeps no secrets from anyone, and not having any "mysteries of faith" about him.

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极速赛车168官网 By: michael https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-197372 Tue, 05 Mar 2019 21:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-197372 This argument only supports an uncaused cause, not a god.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Whocares_386 https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-182923 Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:53:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-182923 Why not ? If we have enough materials-conditions, and enough time then why not ? Also if anyone think we have glarious bodies, amazing universe then that person absolutely NOT right. Because universe doesn't work properly and biologically we have so much mistakes in our bodies. I don't think any god or engineer would do that mistakes. That's why god's existense is impossible.

You should visit that site to see evidence:
http://turkishatheist.net/?p=1

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter A. https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-169615 Mon, 12 Sep 2016 02:31:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-169615 In reply to Jersey McJones.

The answer lies within your question - "necessary".

Necessary in the sense that in order to account for a reality that is purely contingent (i.e. isn't self-explanatory, constantly changes, and is not eternally-existent), one must recognise the reality of something (it need not be the traditional concept of God, by the way) that both accounts for and transcends it. Physical reality is not a "brute fact", because, among other things, it has not always existed. The concept of reality being cyclic in nature just shifts the problem up one level, for one has to then account for the entire ensemble of 'universes'. The multiverse idea suffers from the same deficiency.

Yes, my answer is a month late, but... what the hell. :)

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极速赛车168官网 By: Jeffrey G. Johnson https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-168430 Sun, 28 Aug 2016 12:34:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-168430 You say that Carrol is a hypocrite:

But apparently, this open-minded prescription only applies to religious believers, and not poetic naturalists like Carroll, since as noted above, he twice admits to being "unequivocally" certain (i.e., without any doubt) that the universe could exist all by itself.

But this is based on your own misreadingl. You owe Carrol an apology. Here is the part you quote and misread:

He writes, "The progress of modern physics and cosmology has sent a fairly unequivocal message: there's nothing wrong with the universe existing without any external help" (196). A few pages later he writes, "To the question of whether the universe could possibly exist all by itself, without any external help, science offers an unequivocal answer: sure it could" (201).

You may think Carrol is not qualified to make such confident statements about the Universe, but you must at least grant him the right to make unequivocal statements about Physics. For that is all he is doing here.

When he says "there's nothing wrong with the universe existing without any help," he is stating that this does not violate any physics. He is saying physics has not proven this cannot be, nor does it contradict any known theory of physics. He's not saying it must be true that the universe exists without any help.

Likewise, when he asks if the universe "could possibly exist all by itself", he is again saying that IF the answer were yes, it would not contradict scientific knowledge or theory. How is it that you read certainty into answering "it could" to a question asking if it "could possibly"? Rather than saying the universe definitely came into existence without a cause, he states that our very best knowledge of the universe most definitely allows for that possibility.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Patrick Tunnell https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-167877 Mon, 22 Aug 2016 12:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-167877 "This is disappointing because for many thinkers, including Aristotle and Aquinas, this is the main reason they believe in a First Cause of the universe. The universe may or may not have needed a cause to get it going, but it certainly needs one to keep it in existence, here and now. Carroll never weighs in on the question."

- Are you saying that the first way of Thomas is faulty? I thought Thomas holds the first way as the most evident of all the causes. Are you just focusing on the contingency of the universe and therefore not arguing about motion?

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极速赛车168官网 By: LHRMSCBrown https://strangenotions.com/why-does-the-universe-exist-atheist-sean-carroll-answers/#comment-167568 Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:03:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6650#comment-167568 @ Ryan Beren: "And how do you know that? If it's merely a matter of definition, then why can't each local moment have its sustaining cause be defined as its preceding moment? If it's not merely a matter of definition, then there needs to be evidence before we can identify the cause."

That is a helpful way to phrase it as it gets us to the validity behind Vogt (and others, etc.) who have patiently asked for this supposed new set of definitions whereby resolution emerges. Carroll hints but does not offer and given his goals that just won’t do. Where is the evidence that either the universe or the *god* which begets her overcomes both contingency in the weaker sense and contingency in the stronger sense? Also, where is the QED? What we get, have gotten, so far at least, is not an answer but merely just-so-hints that there is, if we only allow the possibility, lurking somewhere in the recesses of the Non-Theist’s mind, a secret body of evidence. But what we never see is the actual evidence itself, the actual QED/demonstration itself.

Since we have not seen those three – and reason rightly demands all three – then reason and science and the evidence assure us that it is the Christian, and not our Non-Theist friends, for whom this entire affair is “…not an expression of blind faith but precisely a condemnation of blind faith…”

The Non-Theist has either [1] the universe as we know it (all of physics, etc.) or, he has [2] his *god* which begat the box we call [universe]. Perhaps [2] is that which sums to be Hawking's South Pole, as it were, while the universe is not *god* but rather the begotten of *god*. That there is nothing south of the South Pole merely brings us into the timeless, spaceless etc., but "that" is laced through with contingency based on everything that Non-Theism has offered so far. It makes no difference where we draw that line for whether [1] Non-Theism’s *god* which begets the universe is one's terminus of explanation, or whether [2] the universe is the whole show, is one's explanatory stopping point, then, either way, we are back to T-zero (Bang etc., etc.) as either a part of *god*, or a potentiality with respect to *god*, or a change in *god*, and therein *god* itself reduces to contingency. By that I mean the following:

It's unclear what to make of the Non-Theist's proposed *god* with respect to T-zero (Bang, etc., etc.) given that T-zero must be [1] "always” and “already" a "part" of the proposed *god* or, [2] T-zero must be an entity which came "out of" that *god*, which loops us back to [1], or, [3] T-zero must actually be *change* of some irreducible sort, forcing potentiality and sacrificing pure actuality. Hence it's not obvious that the proposed *god* escapes either parts, or change, or potentiality, and therefore reveals contingency (in several senses). We can add that we also find deflationary truth values on our end as the illusory presses in (though that is, technically, a separate topic….. although it does (quite harshly) impact any move by the Non-Theist to offer us his reasoned QED as per the earlier link).

It’s just not obvious based on that which our Non-Theist friends including Carroll have offered so far that their paradigm’s tools can even in principle dissolve the problems of contingency in either the weaker sense ( http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/05/avicennas-argument-from-contingency.html ) or in the stronger sense ( http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/07/avicennas-argument-from-contingency.html ). In the same way, again, the reasoned demonstration ( http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2014/09/qed.html ) of a supposed QED built atop some new syntax is, also, it seems, even in principle untenable.

Edit: “Naturally, if it is the ultimate source, cause or explanation of things it is actual or existent – it could hardly cause or explain anything otherwise – but it is not a compound of actuality and potentiality as other things are, nor a compound of existence and essence. It would have to be, always and “already” as it were, pure actuality rather than something that has or could have any potential in need of actualization. It would have to be, not “an” existent thing among other existent things, but pure being or existence itself. Anything less would require a cause or source of its own and thus not be the ultimate cause or source.” ( from E. Feser / reviews the book, “The Mystery of Existence: Why Is There Anything At All?” at http://edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2013/10/why-is-there-anything-at-all-its-simple.html )

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