ok we disagree. take care and thx for engaging.

atheism entails lots that atheists find a drag so they pretend it doesn't exist imho.

Your humble opinion is hereby noted, but as an atheist I can assure you it is incorrect.

where i live being a liberal is a cultural issue.

Interesting, but atheism per se is apolitical.

yes the meaning SEEMS real

That's all that is required for meaning.

but on your belief system it can't be;

I've already addressed this. Atheism is not a "belief system." It is merely the observation that no god claims have been shown to be true.

God is just a short hand for some overarching principle source of logic in the world source of meaning.

Come again?

i don't agree. unless you're saying that we really are more than just elementary particles even though physically we really are only particles. are you saying that?

This is obviously the fallacy of composition.

https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/88/Fallacy-of-Composition

Just because humans are composed of elementary particles, it doesn't mean humans aren't real...

lots of things seem real but are illusion. our thoughts/emotions for ex if all we are are agglomerations of elementary particles.

Huh?

yes thoughts are real, real illusions. they are real only to the extent that they fool us into thinking they have/carry inherent meaning. believe in God does not proved God anymore than believing that you have won the lottery means you have won the lottery.

yes meaning is in thoughts but illusory meaning unless the thoughts are real thoughts and not just atoms bouncing around our heads. if all there is is blind random chance than your 'thoughts' are not really thoughts but just the strange effects of some strange combination of elementary particles in your head - also there is no you.

yes an atheists subj thoughts SEEM real but aren't they are an illusion foisted upon us by our genes or the atoms in our heads.

Are thoughts real? If so, I propose the following argument:

Premise 1: Thoughts are real
Premise 2: Meaning is contained in thought

Conclusion: Meaning is real. Real is != objective. Very few argue subjective experience isn't real...

atheism entails lots that atheists find a drag so they pretend it doesn't exist imho.

where i live being a liberal is a cultural issue.

yes the meaning SEEMS real but on your belief system it can't be; unless atoms randomly bouncing around can somehow be considered a source of meaning. on atheism all of this is a like an unnecessary dream or something even more elusive; it's a hoax put upon us by some strange laws of physics or whatever which are 100% bereft of meaning.

God is just a short hand for some overarching principle source of logic in the world source of meaning. atheism denies this therefore it denies the rest. although some atheist worship "Nature" or "the human intellect" thereby worshiping God with realizing it or without acknowledging it.

bc atheism denies its own premises; if there is no "God" there can be no order in the universe apart from apparent order which we impose on it but which is ultimately illusory.

The only premise of atheism is that no gods appear to exist.

a cultural atheist is a typical prog liberal who lives as though there is no God no judgement no real right wrong but just sort of floats through life 'not judging' anything except those who have the temerity to you know, judge.

Sounds like a politically motivated designation rather than a cultural one.

yes the meaning you find in life is illusory though

The meaning I find in life seems quite real to me. Perhaps what is illusory is the idea that belief in a god is required to derive meaning in life.

atheism entails that there is no overarching organizing principle behind the universe

No, all that atheism entails is the idea that no gods appear to exist.