极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Monogenism or Polygenism?: The Question of Human Origins https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sat, 04 Jul 2020 00:52:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Dennis Bonnette https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-210400 Sat, 04 Jul 2020 00:52:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-210400 In reply to Richard.

Sorry, Dr. Feser is absolutely correct. It is you who are inaccurately expressing the teaching of the Magisterium in this matter, as is evident from the following quotation taken from a peer reviewed entry in the New Catholic Encyclopedia Supplement.

"Finally, the CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH speaks repeatedly of Adam and Eve as a single mating couple who “committed a personal sin” (CCC, sec. 404). JOHN PAUL II's Apostolic Constitution FIDEI DEPOSITUM calls the Catechism “a statement of the Church's faith and of catholic doctrine” (CCC [1994] 1997, 5)."

Taken from "Monogenism and Polygenism" by Dennis Bonnette
New Catholic Encyclopedia Supplement 2012-2013: Ethics and Philosophy, page 1013.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Richard https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-210395 Fri, 03 Jul 2020 21:22:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-210395 The statement is made that the doctrine on original sin requires an original real Adam and Eve. That is not the teaching of the magisterium; hasn't been for many years now. Accuracy in these matters, I would contend, is essential. Yours, in Christ Jesus

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极速赛车168官网 By: Kevin Mark https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-171592 Tue, 01 Nov 2016 04:46:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-171592 It is sad that so many Catholics so readily jettison Holy Tradition and Holy Scripture to accommodate "science", falsely so-called. If a scientist comes up with some conclusion that seems to conflict with a tenant of the faith, why is the scientist believed over infallible Tradition and Scripture? We know that the science of today will be largely discarded only 100 years from now and the science 100 years from now will be largely discarded 100 years from then. Thus, drawing dogmatic conclusions based upon science is a fools errand, especially since Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition conclude, definitively, that creation (including that of man) was a miraculous and thus supernatural event - to deny this is to deny the faith, and to affirm this is to admit that you are attempting to extrapolate backwards in history using natural means to attempt to shed light on an original event that was entirely unnatural. How can such a Catholic readily believe in the supernatural Eucharistic change of substance that happens at every mass, yet believe that our origins were naturalistic, in direct contradiction with Holy Scripture and the tradition of the Fathers and Doctors of the Church?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Robert Herman Flock https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-166587 Mon, 25 Jul 2016 21:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-166587 Perhaps the real solution is that the "Sin of origins" as Pope Benedict XVI called it, is not really dependent upon a single ancestor, or a single couple. Once sin is present, all of creation is deprived of the perfection of goodness, holiness and love that would otherwise be experienced and this deprivation causes our depravity until grace can overcome de deficiency.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Bob K. https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-85469 Wed, 28 Jan 2015 17:18:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-85469 There is no such thing as perfect knowledge for humans. In the end, we are all forced to make a "leap" into the dark either with a nay or a yay--an agnostic stance is, in ultimate and practical terms, a nay. The best we can do is study the evidence, weigh it, decide what end we want to come down on, and allow for human freedom to choose one's eternal/termporal end. But I have come to agree with Paschal who (paraphrazing) said: God has revealed himself in such a way and just enough that those who want to find him can come to him through reason and faith, and those who do not want to find him will not be forced to do so." In this sense, God is a gentleman who proposes courtship with a mysterious, wooing song instead of a hard contract (which anyone who ever loved and courted another knows there is not 100% emperical proof or even "undeniable evidence" that the courtship is "the true one" and will deliver the return desired. That is the fallacy to those who sit on the fence until they have all the proofs they desire). Eventually, one has to put down the measuring tape and instruments--even reason--and exhale in surrender. ...Or, there is no God, and none of this means a horse's ass anyway.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mark Chapman https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-83750 Mon, 19 Jan 2015 04:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-83750 This is the sort of thing that drives me nuts. It is why I am not a Thomist. It is why this sort of Neo-Thomism and Neo-Scholasticism inevitably hits a dead end, and then stubbornly keeps butting that wall believing there really is something on the other side. The whole idea of reconciling science and the Christian faith is already a retreat and submission of Christian faith to the cult of science. If one were to climb out of this scholastic-metaphysical hole, you would see two centuries of a wealth of biblical exegesis and interpretation regarding Genesis 1 -3 which in no way requires any recourse to science, genetics and evolution to make sound -- theological sense -- out of the creation narratives and how those narratives shape and influence biblical theology. Aside from extremes like St. Augustine and St. Jerome -- from whom St. Thomas Aquinas got his ideas and was so badly led astray -- Christianity has never seen a need to reconcile faith with science -- which is something fundamentally different from the unity and continuity of faith and reason. We live in a world that has reduced "reason" to "empirical science" and made faith stand to defend itself in the court of empirical science, which claims an objective superiority to "truth" over that of the truth of Revelation. The new evangelization which is today's mission of the Church is not informed or helped one bit by this speculative scholasticism.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Caravelle https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-83732 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:46:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-83732 In reply to Therese.

Aw, thanks :)

Though come to think of it the existence of Neanderthals does have interesting implications under Feser's hypothesis. It depends on what we think souls imply; Neanderthals apparently used advanced tools, including making dugout boats and sailing the Mediterranean; they buried their dead, and genetically speaking it appears they had language like us. If we infer from these facts that they had souls then that would mean that Adam and Eve existed in the ancestral species that led to both modern humans and Neanderthals (so, about 350,000 - 400,000 years ago at the latest) (Wikipedia suggests this would have been Homo heidelbergensis).

If we don't infer from these facts that the Neanderthals had souls (I was going to refer to the lack of Neanderthal art, but a quick Googling to check shows even that stereotype may be false, they found Neanderthal-inhabited caves with strange abstract art-like markings in 2012), then Adam and Eve could have been modern humans, and the interbreeding events with Neanderthals would have involved ensouled humans mating with soulless "sub-humans", even if it wasn't the specific large-scale interbreeding event that Feser's hypothesis involves.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Therese https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-83729 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:03:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-83729 In reply to Caravelle.

I really appreciate your thoughtful response. I teach Biology in a Catholic High School and am always looking for a solid explanation for these types of questions.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Caravelle https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-83726 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 18:24:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-83726 In reply to Therese.

They wouldn't fit any criteria at all. Feser's sub-humans would have constituted the majority of our genetic ancestry - that's the point of the hypothesis, to explain why today's humanity are the genetic descendants of many thousand people, not two. And Neanderthal genes make up a tiny proportion of the gene pool of a few human populations, and are thought to be the result of very rare interbreeding events (otherwise the proportion would be higher). When that interbreeding took place (apparently 50,000 years ago) also doesn't coincide with when population bottlenecks are thought to have occurred either (not that those population bottlenecks need to coincide with Adam and Eve's appearance under Feser's hypothesis), and it's much, much later than the appearance of traits we associate with having a soul, like painting, music, jewelry, or honoring the dead.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Therese https://strangenotions.com/monogenism-or-polygenism-the-question-of-human-origins/#comment-83720 Sun, 18 Jan 2015 17:39:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4903#comment-83720 Are the sub-humans you have in mind, possibly, the Neanderthals? They would fit your criteria and I have read that Homo sapiens co-existed with Neanderthals for an evolutionarily brief period.

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