And a surprisingly recent one- at about 5000 years ago.

I can see unfallen human beings in the Amazon jungle today. I think you've missed out somehow.

They didn't follow the clear, basic and simple instruction given.

Actually, since even the Catechism of the Catholic Church acknowledges that the story of Adam and Eve is in figurative language, we don't know who "they" are or what they did.

Your point seems to require a high level of moral understanding that you show was probably not there.

Bingo!

According to the idea of the Fall, 7 billion people today are suffering the punishment for the transgression of two people, and every person who ever lived suffered for it as well. It was so momentous that to repair the damage done, God had to become a man and die a terrible death to make up for it. Does it really make sense for all of that to have been the consequence of two individuals with a childlike understanding of morality doing something like disobeying a simple command? Is there any sense at all in the story of Adam and Eve that they are aware they are acting on behalf of everyone who will ever live?

They didn't follow the clear, basic and simple instruction given. No need for a particularly high level of anything. Your point seems to require a high level of moral understanding that you show was probably not there. Ergo, I seem to have the smell of burning straw wafting around.

Quantum theory and quantum mechanics are far from settled science. The biggest problem with the lack of perceived determinism is that every physical process has to be grounded - foundationally - on the theory, and we can see both at the Newtonian and relativistic levels an exceptionally coherent system. By reduction, we can know then that quantum theory is missing large pieces.

I'll leave it at that because I have been away from the studies for too long, but even thirty and forty years ago when studying and reviewing the efforts made in the field of quantum theory, I was unconvinced that it was anything more than a stop-gap measure in a larger understanding of the physical realm. Too little is understood of the nature of the fabric of space itself to have a firm grasp of interactions therein.

But rationally and logically, we can know that any given event is simply a snapshot of some process in an open-ended system (in the continuum). And we can know, through solid experiments, that 'will' is not any type of packaging of randomness. And we can see the massive size of the numbers required for the randomness ascribed to evolution to be anything more than an interesting game. I'll leave it at that.

Thank you for the thoughtful and courteous discourse, and God bless....

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