极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Are We Living in the Matrix? https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Thu, 11 May 2017 20:28:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Phil https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-176539 Thu, 11 May 2017 20:28:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-176539 In reply to David Nickol.

I don't think "tuned" it is a misleading word because it is a good word to convey the concept of what appears. Now, let's say that we discover that there is a multi-verse and that is the reason why it appears our universe is tuned, then we could simply say "The multi-verse is the reason our universe appears to be 'tuned' for life."

What would you say is a better way to describe what we do when we say, "Appears to be tuned for life"?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175561 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:46:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175561 In reply to Rob Abney.

Yes well I am open. Thanks for your comments.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Rob Abney https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175559 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:26:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175559 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

You've yet to give me a single reason why he would not manifest.

I can't give you a reason as to WHY He would not manifest, but I would say that it seems as though apparitions of Jesus and Mary since the Ascension have manifested to those who are believers. Here is a line from a wikipedia article: Author Michael Freze argues that Catholic practices such as Eucharistic adoration, rosary devotions and contemplative meditation with a focus on interior life facilitate visions and apparitions.

Despite what DavidNickol thinks, I have been suggesting that you attempt these Catholic devotions, not to be like me but to be like Catholics who get a strong sense of actually communicating with God.
You don't have to be a believer to get a manifestation but you do have to have a mind open to the possibility. To avoid a sunk costs bias, try contemplative meditation, I think you vastly improve your odds by doing it in a church in the presence of the Holy Eucharist though.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Rob Abney https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175557 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175557 In reply to David Nickol.

Are you BGA's mysterious handler, no tough questions please!?
Actually, it's called dialogue, give and take. Once again, you prefer to shut me down rather than engage, as I've pointed out to you before.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175555 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:29:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175555 In reply to Rob Abney.

You acknowledge that He has manifested Himself but you want to see it yourself . . . .

I agree with what I thing BGA was saying, but I can only speak for myself. It is not that God has manifested himself to others. It is claimed that God has manifested himself to others. And the claims include not just the kind of subtle signs you allege. It is claimed, for example, that God manifested himself as a pillar of fire. It is claimed that he gave Moses and Aaron "magic tricks" to impress Pharaoh (such as turning a staff into a snake). It is claimed he sent angels as messengers. So when BGA wonders why God doesn't manifest himself today in one of the many dramatic ways he allegedly manifested himself in the past, he is not affirming that God actually appeared as, say, a burning bush. He is saying, in effect, "This God you claim to exist is a God who was not shy in the past about making his existence obvious. So if he did it in the past, why won't he do it today?"

It seems to me you come close to hounding BGA by constantly implying that if he were only more like you, if he would only take your advice, if he would only act in what you believe to be good faith, then he would believe the same things that you believe. There's something passive aggressive about it.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175553 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 18:10:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175553 In reply to Rob Abney.

No I don't acknowledge he has. I don't think he exists. Theists claim he has. I'm saying if this god keeps appearing to people, why in my case is he not going to.

Sure I'll accept I am subject to confirmation bias. This is why I think looking for evidence of god in a nuanced way is a bad idea. It will play on this cognitive bias. The request to spent significant amount of my time in church engages a sunk costs bias.

Of course I had an option. No one was telling me not to believe and as a child, I pretty much did.

Again all if this to say we need more than our upbringing and nuanced reflections of common experiences.

You've yet to give me a single reason why he would not manifest.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Rob Abney https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175551 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:50:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175551 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

God has manifested in those ways. Not as a genie in a bottle. I just want a manifestation of god that distinguishes his existence from a world without him.

You acknowledge that He has manifested Himself but you want to see it yourself, because you would trust yourself despite your earlier claims of skepticism about the external world. Seems inconsistent to me.

Your confirmation bias was established by 40 years of no discussion about God and religion. You may not have been told to believe one way or another but you basically didn't have an option for many years. It would be interesting to consider how you had a belief in God in the beginning though.
Mine was established by always being around people who were nominally religious and rarely discussed it and never considered the reasoning that supported the existence of God. I could have easily been agnostic but did find reasons for belief at the point that I decided to start looking. Once I had foundational proofs that God and Jesus existed then I found more and more support, you may characterize that as confirmation bias but I characterize it as getting to know someone better.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175549 Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175549 In reply to Rob Abney.

Well no. God has manifested in those ways. Not as a genie in a bottle. I just want a manifestation of god that distinguishes his existence from a world without him.

Don't worry about my mom or family. We are very happy.

Oh goodness. My mom didn't tell me any of this until after I had founded an atheist organization. I didn't even know she was an atheist until I told her I didn't believe. Then she told me about the abuse and her hatred for the Catholic Church. In forty years she'd never given an opinion one way or another.

Both my parents were raised in very religious households and both lack belief for the same reasons I do. The stories don't make sense and there is not enough evidence to believe.

I actually believed in some sort of a God as a small child. My parents simply never discussed whether any existed.

Can you say the same? Can you say you were never told one way or the other? That there were no incentives to believe?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Rob Abney https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175542 Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175542 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

Why not have a burning bush or write the Gospels I stars why not just appear when I ask? it makes no sense.

It sounds like you are looking for a magician or a genie in the bottle.

I'm sorry to hear that about your mom, it's too bad that an evil act by one person ended up affecting two generations of family.
I thought your grandparents might be deceased, were they Catholic?
It's hard to imagine how you could be a believer when everyone around you is not, it would require free thinking on your part, very difficult.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/are-we-living-in-the-matrix/#comment-175539 Wed, 29 Mar 2017 21:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7367#comment-175539 In reply to Rob Abney.

Why not? Why not have a burning bush or write the Gospels I stars why not just appear when I ask? it makes no sense.

I'll allow it. But no one I know believes in any gods. I keep a

My parents never believed as far as I know. my mom rejected religion when she told a priest she'd been molested and he told her to keep it quiet. no idea for my dad I once asked him if he believed and he said no. My grandparents are dead.

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