极速赛车168官网 Comments on: How Christians—Not the “Enlightenment”—Launched the Age of Reason https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Mon, 19 Sep 2022 23:13:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: bulmabriefs144 https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-228478 Mon, 19 Sep 2022 23:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-228478 In reply to Luke Breuer.

Ummmm, I am deeply religious. I am also a syncretic, believing a mix of Christian, Buddhist, Taoist, and Shinto ideas.

It isn't deeply religious vs heretic. It's deeply religious vs nonreligious.

That said, Isaac Newton basically made "gravity" when science of the time already had a theory for why objects fall (protip: it has to do with mass in much the same way as buoyancy). He was a hack who pushed fake science to convince us all that water that curves and sits upside-down like it does in round Earth theories makes sense.
That his theories were accepted had less to do with him testing them or being right, and more to do with the secular powers wanted to push globalism.

And unfortunately, I have seen too often the sort of "intellectual" atheist, who not ironically has a lot to do with the violent thugs of the French Revolution.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202907 Mon, 16 Sep 2019 13:40:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202907 In reply to dudester4.

That seems true. A lot of inventions have precursors. They follow along on centuries of slow development.

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极速赛车168官网 By: dudester4 https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202905 Mon, 16 Sep 2019 09:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202905 In reply to Michael.

I agree that Aristotle was held in too much esteem; eventually the innovators of the Enlightenment left him behind. I appreciate your understanding of history; let me ask you (to me) a related question. I posit that history states that many of the so-called "innovations" of the High Middle Ages actually had their foundation in the the ponderous and sometimes incremental discoveries and extensions of the early Middle Ages, many in the early universities formed in Europe. When does one "claim" that an invention was "developed", for example, the telescope, patented in Holland in 1608, when clearly the precursor development of optics, with lenses available to the Assyrians in the 700's, etc. led to it's final form? The Greeks made mention of the atom- do they deserve credit for the atomic bomb? When is a precursor invention no longer a precursor? Just a thought.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202656 Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202656 In reply to dudester4.

Yes, that does seem to be the case. However they relied on Aristotle too much. In his own time there were many other theories (some of them better). Many were just acceptable though since they couldn't be fit into Christian thought (even doing that with Aristotle is difficult).

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极速赛车168官网 By: dudester4 https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202646 Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202646 In reply to Michael.

But underlying assumptions regarding the Unmoved Mover were, as I understand it, were considered "scientific" by his great mind, and others. We might call it a "God of the Gaps" fallacy today, but unexplained order, especially in the fields of astronomy or cosmology was a foundational assumption that presumed an answer, albeit incomplete, could eventually be found.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202432 Mon, 09 Sep 2019 20:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202432 In reply to dudester4.

I agree. He wrote widely on religion too however. I'm not sure that was considered scientific even then.

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极速赛车168官网 By: dudester4 https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202423 Mon, 09 Sep 2019 09:07:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202423 In reply to Michael.

I agree. I don't see LB's objection here. It seems there's a forced false dichotomy, or feigned continuum between either "Voltaire and the RC Church." Arianism is still a (heretical) form of Christianity- as opposed to Buddhism or atheism, for instance- and I'm not quite sure how Newton's heresy refutes the article at hand. Newton also searched for the Philosopher's Stone, and it is well known he studied occult sciences. Overall, his interest was, as best he could muster in the 17th century, purely scientific.

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极速赛车168官网 By: dudester4 https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-202422 Mon, 09 Sep 2019 08:38:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-202422 In reply to Troy.

Even more an honest representation of the Reformation and Counter Reformation, untainted by the historian fallacy.

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极速赛车168官网 By: dudester4 https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-198737 Sun, 28 Apr 2019 09:50:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-198737 In reply to Ignatius Reilly.

Total BS, even if you just consider the Umayyad conquest of Spain alone, not to mention the Balkan, Sicilian, and extremely barbaric Mughal invasions and repression of native Christian and other cultures during your so-called "Golden Age." Indian populations were reduced by 75%, the greatest genocide in human history. Christians not persecuted till the 12th century? Do you consider us totally ignorant of history? This is an idiotic representation of militaristic and typically brutal invasion of other lands by Muslim conquerors, unalloyed by "tradition in new and 'wondrous' ways." Screw you.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Troy https://strangenotions.com/how-christians-actually-began-the-age-of-reason/#comment-198187 Sat, 13 Apr 2019 22:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7385#comment-198187 Typical Christian bullshit... it completely ignores Protestant anti intellectualism on the part of Calvin and Luther, as well as the obnoxious Catholic Counter Reformation, which is why atheism became much more common in the 18th century than it seems you're willing to admit. Finding an honest Christian is very difficult.

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