极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead? – An Interview with Carl Olson https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:02:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Justafoolagain https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-225284 Sun, 19 Dec 2021 18:02:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-225284 A new tangent might be allowed.

Did Jesus resurrect in Heaven or in Hell?
Scriptures, as they often do, give both options as true.
The Bible does what it was created by the Jewish authors to do. Make us question and judge.
Without Midrash, the Bible is just another useless myth.
In one version, Jesus tells his fellow prisoner on the cross that they will both awaken in heaven.
Another version has Jesus awakening in hell, where he toils for 3 days.
One old adage might say, if one day is 1,000 years, Jesus is almost at his 2-year mark.
There is a confusion as to who received Jesus as a sacrifice, Satan, or the androgynous Yahweh.
If sacrificed to Satan, she rules the world.
If sacrificed to Yahweh, Jesus rules the world.
Into whose hands did Jesus ascend, Satan’s or Yahweh’s?
I cannot know where Jesus ended via the bible, but think there is a valuable moral lesson here, but do not quite have my finger on what it is. Help.
What is your best guess as to where Jesus is?
Regards
DL

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极速赛车168官网 By: Justafoolagain https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-225279 Sat, 18 Dec 2021 18:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-225279 If any wish a side bar.

Did Jesus resurrect in Heaven or in Hell?
Scriptures, as they often do, give both options as true.
The Bible does what it was created by the Jewish authors to do. Make us question and judge.
Without Midrash, the Bible is just another useless myth.
In one version, Jesus tells his fellow prisoner on the cross that they will both awaken in heaven.
Another version has Jesus awakening in hell, where he toils for 3 days.
One old adage might say, if one day is 1,000 years, Jesus is almost at his 2 year mark.
There is a confusion as to who received Jesus as a sacrifice; Satan or the androgynous Yahweh.
If sacrificed to Satan, she rules the world.
If sacrificed to Yahweh, Jesus rules the world.
Into whose hands did Jesus ascend, Satan’s or Yahweh’s?
I cannot know where Jesus ended via the bible, but think there is a valuable moral lesson here, but do not quite have my finger on what it is. Help.
What is your best guess as to where Jesus is?
Regards
DL

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极速赛车168官网 By: Jack https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-179677 Wed, 30 Aug 2017 23:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-179677 Yeah Jesus raised from the dead. I suppose he had better things going on astrally so he didn't give up he was holy and shit, so he raised up and went up a level. Jesus probably had a good reason for being here. Also it probably hurt like hell getting maimed and insulted but old Jesus had a big heart and good spirit so He litterly levitated into the next world leaving us with good ideas like monasteries and cathedrals. It's almost like when you drink a fifth of whisky and wake up the next morning anyway. Buddhists levitate too sometimes. Yes Jesus was definitely from some high court. But a 100 mile radius around his hometown in Israel is desert and semi-arid so it makes one wonder why we should listen to a bunch of robe wearing arabs

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极速赛车168官网 By: The Saint https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-178432 Sat, 05 Aug 2017 12:43:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-178432 The question is based on a false premise, first you have to establish that such a character actually existed, no evidence exists to prove the Christ character was anything but myth.
In mythology, there are several deities who were resurrected, and they predate the christ; so we can pose the same question to Osiris. Did Osiris really resurrect?

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极速赛车168官网 By: dougshaver https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-177842 Tue, 11 Jul 2017 00:14:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-177842 In reply to Ye Olde Statistician.

Hume did quite well without science

That isn't how I read him.

You need only be from Missouri.

"Show me" is a demand for observational evidence. That's what science is about.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ye Olde Statistician https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-177832 Mon, 10 Jul 2017 16:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-177832 In reply to dougshaver.

Hume did quite well without science. You need only be from Missouri. Why would you need science to justify skepticism -- rather than, like Hume, vice versa?

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极速赛车168官网 By: dougshaver https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-177828 Mon, 10 Jul 2017 04:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-177828 In reply to Ye Olde Statistician.

You don't need science to be skeptical about dragons and faeries.

Without science, how would you justify your skepticism?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ye Olde Statistician https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-176409 Sun, 07 May 2017 11:22:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-176409 In reply to David Nickol.

Well, I can only go by the interview above.

Unlike most other ancient Greek bioi, the gospels were written very shortly after the events they describe -- within living memory of their initial readership. They include shout-outs to witnesses. (If you don't believe me, ask Cleophas about this anecdote; or ask Rufus and Alexander about this other anecdote. They were there.) Accounts include odd personal details -- climbing a tree because one is too short to see over the heads of the crowd; you must be the only person in Jerusalem who doesn't know what was going down the past couple of days; etc., etc.). Where they clash on details they are the very sorts of details that actual eyewitness accounts clash when written down a few years later. (I have two newspaper accounts of the death of my grandfather's grandfather in a railroad accident, each written within a week after the fact, which differ as to the time of day of the accident and the age of the victim. Yet they were in substantial agreement with the oral history passed on by my grandfather.)

Of course, modern genres of realist fiction or of von Ranke's 19th cent. historiography did not then exist, so one must be cautious. There were no tape recorders; though there were stenographers. And scholars of oral traditions have demonstrated that when events are life-changing they do tend to be remembered accurately, and when there are social means for ensuring accuracy of rehearsing these stories can be preserved for far longer periods than the single lifetime of the gospels. There are Polynesian tales that are recited word-for-word on islands that were long out of contact with one another. (Jan Vansina, "Oral Tradition as History")

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-176407 Sun, 07 May 2017 04:25:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-176407 In reply to Ye Olde Statistician.

Believe it or not, historians have methods for assessing the reliability of accounts. It is not an either/or thing, but a more/less thing.

But Carl Olson uses none of these methods in Did Jesus Really Rise From the Dead? And, as I have noted a number of times, he claims that the Gospels are historically reliable, but he never explains what that means. And reading the book, the impression one gets is that he leans heavily toward the view that the Gospels are inerrant in the sense Evangelicals believe them to be.

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极速赛车168官网 By: dougshaver https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead-interview-with-carl-olson/#comment-176406 Sun, 07 May 2017 04:23:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=7373#comment-176406 In reply to Ye Olde Statistician.

The presumption that it was all to one side.

Did you think it was my presumption?

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