极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Is “Heaven” to Blame for Murder? https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:35:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: fergalf https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133281 Sat, 27 Jun 2015 13:35:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133281 In reply to Michael Murray.

Its been experience and the majority of people saying otherwise are cherry picking.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Murray https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133137 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:40:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133137 In reply to fergalf.

Based on what evidence ?

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极速赛车168官网 By: fergalf https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133134 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:08:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133134 In reply to Michael Murray.

OK fair enough but I still think the church is far more sympathetic then given credit for.

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极速赛车168官网 By: fergalf https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133131 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 09:03:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133131 In reply to David Nickol.

In my experience there is very little harsh language. People who talk on and on about this come across as trying to pick a fight.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Murray https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133125 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 08:28:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133125 In reply to fergalf.

You say that

The Catechism does not refer to depravity or disorderedness when discussing homosexuality.

This is just wrong. David gave you the quote in short. Here it is in full.

2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133098 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 22:03:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133098 In reply to fergalf.

It is unclear to me what point you are trying to make. Are you claiming that the Church does not use harsh language to condemn homosexuality?

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极速赛车168官网 By: fergalf https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133095 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:10:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133095 In reply to David Nickol.

I think are cherry picking. Grave depravity is a highly specialised word arrangement.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133092 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:02:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133092 In reply to fergalf.

Please note that I said the following:

In fact, if you do a google search of the entire Vatican web site for the words "grave depravity" ("grave depravity" site:vatican.va) you will find onlyreferences to homosexuality.

I even gave the correct form for the Google search:

"grave depravity" site:vatican.va

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极速赛车168官网 By: fergalf https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-133074 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:05:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-133074 In reply to David Nickol.

The Catechism does not refer to depravity or disorderedness when discussing homosexuality. I searched the Vatican site for depravity and its getting all sorts of hits and it is not correct to say you only references to homosexuality.

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极速赛车168官网 By: joey_in_NC https://strangenotions.com/is-heaven-to-blame-for-murder/#comment-129556 Fri, 05 Jun 2015 13:35:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=5503#comment-129556 In reply to Michael Murray.

If by that you mean moving paedophiles around so they could find new
victims and not reporting them to the police you are correct.

Yes, that's what I mean.

But tying this back to the subject of this discussion (and since you apparently want to drop the subject of bestiality/necrophilia), do you not think that pedophilia is disordered in any way? Are such actions wrong only because of the negative consequences experienced by the victims?

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