极速赛车168官网 Comments on: 4 Errors About the Burden of Proof for God https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: rayopaw https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-194746 Sun, 04 Nov 2018 23:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-194746 In error #4 you use improper use of grammar to prove your point, the sentence about should be, I dont think is raining, but there is a possibilitty for it to be raining. You people purposely make it sound ilogical

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极速赛车168官网 By: Steampunk Gentleman https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-187206 Sat, 03 Mar 2018 00:48:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-187206 Well, every single argument you made was at the very best deceptive verging on outright lies.
Your "Error #1" Is an outright falsehood.

Atheism is the null hypothesis. A null hypothesis stands until there is evidence to support another hypothesis. There is no such evidence hence the null hypothesis stands.

In courtroom terms the null hypothesis is the presumption of innocence. The Universe is judged innocent of a deity until you can demonstrate that there is such a deity. You cannot, therefore the presumption there is no such deity stands

Your "Error #2" is frankly an embarrassment.

You commit the historians fallacy of assuming a current understanding was also the understanding of the people who wrote the Bible. You ignore the fact that their understanding was of multiple invisible heavens (as cited by Paul) below a solid firmament upon which the stars were mounted

Next you quote mine to prove you concepts ignoring the contradictory passages showing a very physical, mountain (not cloud) living deity.

The biggest deception in this passage is your attempt to deny the possibility of scientific observation of the effects of deistic activity upon the physical world. Frankly it is just special pleading

Your "Error #3" (deliberately?) distorts the truism used by Sagan. You ignore entirely that you are making an extraordinary claim - that your specific deity does exist and is the sole deity in the universe out of the 100s of possible that might exist and the 1000s that might have existed. Please note that to prove this to atheists and all other believers of other gods you would need extraordinary evidence.

You, of course, ignore the fact you do not have even ordinary evidence. You have no eyewitness reports at first or second hand and no physical evidence. All of the reports are at best 3rd hand and tainted beyond redemption by the considerable evidence of later tampering.

Your "Error #4" Is, as you admit at the start, just a repeat of your Error #3 but you smarten up slightly by asserting that faith need no proof. This is true. But of course you ignore the vast hordes of people who do not have your faith but another. You ignore those, currently a minority, who do not have any faith. To change the mind of these others evidence will be required.

The distasteful alternative is that you claiming that your God is so incredibly petty as to only grant faith to the tiny minority of fundamentalist Christians who believe as you do.You may call that faith, I call it hubris.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Shill? Any Evidence? https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-176020 Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-176020 In reply to Michael Murray.

It's like obscenity/porn solely in that you'll never get a 100% objective definition.

But I highly doubt that anyone believes that, I, personally have been dead for three years, say. It's because it goes against what we know of the known world, even comas of that length have reversible effects with some dispute as to whether that applies even if you're a demi-god. I'm not so... But I'm sure they would believe that I went to a restaurant on little evidence.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Murray https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-176019 Wed, 19 Apr 2017 12:38:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-176019 In reply to Shill? Any Evidence?.

Sean Carroll in his recent book talks about measuring extraordinary relative to your prior convictions. So what it takes to convince you is relative to what you already believe. But of course then you get a pretty subjective definition.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Shill? Any Evidence? https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-176017 Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:58:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-176017 In reply to Michael Murray.

Way late I know and you'll probably never see this but

Extraordinary is kind of like porn: it's very much a ... I'll-know-it-when-I see-it thing.

Claim #1: I went to a restaurant last night.

Other Claims: I was dead for a while [1 minute/5 minute/1 day, three days/a week/three months/a year/three years]and then got completely better

Readers: Which claims do you believe on my word and why? What sort of evidence would you need to accept my other claims and why?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Shill? Any Evidence? https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-176016 Wed, 19 Apr 2017 10:46:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-176016 The normal stand of proof depends on the claim. In civil things, sure. When we talk about whether someone is, say, guilty in the legal sense of murder...we require a higher burden of proof

But here's a thought experiment with regard to God:

The vast majority of people know what a tornado is and they *agree on the definition* I have to wonder about the quality of evidence if most of the people that agree that God exists can't agree on the nature of Him.

I do have to wonder if some of the intellectual atheists you mentioned consider it obvious in the same way that they consider there is no tooth fairy/no Santa Claus.

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极速赛车168官网 By: KNH777 https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-166275 Sat, 16 Jul 2016 18:22:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-166275 Actually it is the burden of science and all those who oppose Creation to fully substantiate their clam before filing any exclusivity in teaching that claim. Since both are ultimately in the end a belief in the 1st act of creation.

So its a claim forced through legal process of atheists using a science that at its very beginning is exactly the same as creation by an act of God, or an act of nothing! Boylth have burden of proof.

Atheists need to prove the nothing or both have equal place to be taught in every place side by side so the student can decide without bias to 1 belief over the other!!!!

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Hennessey https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-161379 Wed, 06 Apr 2016 01:37:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-161379 I have an issue with the whole presumption that the party making the claim should be making an effort to avoid addressing these "burden of proof" issues. In a court of law, you are defending a client, avoiding embarrassing or difficult evidence is your job, as a seeker of truth, your client is you.

If you just don't want to answer the question, that's fine, no atheist thinks you will go to hell. If you don't have an answer, fine too, atheists don't attempt an answer. You can question yourself and your claims as rigorously or as lightly as you wish but you are only evading your own examination, you can't evade that of others.

When you set the "burden of proof" low, the credibility of your truth suffers, you open up the door for anyone to claim anything since there is no standard of proof. The "spaghetti monster" crowd or the Mormons can claim their revelations, their miracles and their truth and you can only judge them by your weak standards where every test is too rigorous.
Few atheists care whether you lower your standards for yourself but they have to weigh the claims of Mormons, Hindus, Rastafarians and witches, your "burden of proof" would mean accepting all of them.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-160499 Sat, 19 Mar 2016 01:45:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-160499 So lack of belief is a belief itself? There is a difference between believing positively "Gods do not exist" and "I don't find the evidence for any gods compelling." Lack of evidence would indeed be grounds for the atheism that just says "I don't find that gods are proven to exist". Of course, the strong atheism could also be justified by sufficient proof if this was presented.

Muelhhauser seems to be simply noting how God in the Bible is far more apparent-i.e. he actively and ostentatiously intervenes. From what I've read he was indeed thought to dwell in the sky-"the heavens" originally meant that. I think that the concept of God has indeed changed over time.

Also, who exactly says they would refuse to believe in a god, no matter what? It's often stated people could refuse to believe, but at that point it would be like them not believing in the sun. A distinction must also be made with belief and worship-as the Bible itself says, when noting that the demons themselves believe in God.

Edited for clarity.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Lazarus https://strangenotions.com/4-errors-about-the-burden-of-proof-for-god/#comment-160211 Wed, 16 Mar 2016 19:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=6272#comment-160211 In reply to Lana Voreskova.

Thank you.

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