极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Key Attributes: Perfection and the Three Omnis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75779 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75779 In reply to Mike.

I agree with most of what you said, except not many think JC and his disciples wrote anything. The writers are anonymous, simply later attributed to apostles. Paul's primary mission was to the gentiles, many of who were Greeks. Just because many laughed doesn't mean many other Greeks did not accept. Thanks for the conversation.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mike https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75773 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 17:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75773 In reply to William Davis.

:) Sure...look no one seriously thinks JC and his 12 bros were greeks, no one; that having been said the area was criss crossed by various cultures for 1000s of years and there were many "greeks" "romans" "persians" africans, egyptians there at the time, it was messy and shall we say "multicultural"; think of the money changers at the temple, they were there to change all that diff currency into the one used in Jerusalem; also don't forget that by then the jews had travelled from Ur in present day Iraq, had been to egypt and persia etc. etc. so they were themselves a mixture of ppls BUT maintaining their distinct belief in this weird "one god" who was unlike all the others worshipped around them. Also the msg on the cross INRI i think was written in Hebrew, Latin and Greek bc that's what ppl spoke the latter by the authorities and "intellectuals".

The reason you see so much fit bt greek philo and christ is because they are the 2 wings of the same "bird" both were coming to ultimate truth and happened to fit bc ultimately truth has to work both logically (greek) and "spiritually" (jewish)...i am presenting this really badly btw; plus as christianity spread through the greek world it adopted the reasoning of the greeks but the greeks LAUGHED at Paul and the apostles bc they knew bodies didn't rise from the dead.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75758 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:32:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75758 In reply to Mike.

Perusing the net, it does seem the majority opinion was that they were Jewish, I just fail to see any clear reason to think this. I just see "they were probably Jewish". Anyway, google
Hellenistic philosophy and Christianity. They do a pretty good job of explaining what I mean. Perhaps they were Jews so immersed in Greek culture that their conceptualization seems greek to me. I think that's a good compromise, Greek thinking Jews. It may be more true than the idea that they were Greeks. I'll modify my position to that, in the absence of real proof, fair enough?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mike https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75743 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 16:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75743 In reply to William Davis.

Even atheists don't think it was greeks who wrote it; some of them say it was made up by romans later on but most secular historians agree it was NOT written by greeks and indeed was laughed at by them in one of paul's letter where he talks about trying to convince the philosophers in athens of the truth of God.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75737 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:46:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75737 In reply to Mike.

I have no emotional attachment to the idea that Greeks wrote the New Testament, it simply seems to be the most plausible explanation of the evidence. Do you own research, consider the evidence and make your decision. I'd encourage you to also study the history of ancient Greece, their mythologies and understandings. God/men were common in Greek (think Hercules). It makes sense that the Greek mind would be much more receptive to the idea of a God/man than the Jews. Historians have much more specific reasons for thinking what I'm mentioning, though the evidence is far from concrete. I suppose we will never truly know, and will be just left with our best guesses. One major point, however, why would Jews be using the Septuagint, when Hebrew is their native language. Why would they understand the prophecies for the messiah different from other Jews (unless they, too had had visions of Jesus like Paul). I think it has been assumed they were Jewish for so long that it is just continued to be assumed. Do you know of any evidence they were Jewish. Understanding the Septuagint isn't really evidence. Perhaps it is impossible to distinguish a Greek educated Jew, from a Greek educated in Judaism.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75734 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75734 I have to say I am surprised at the definitions for the attributes advanced as the omnis here. Characterizing good as in moral goodness as being successful in being the kind of thing one is, seems completely contrary to how term "good" is used. By this definition is not everything "good"? Again this is a restatement of a laws of logic that everything is what it is, is not what it is not and is nothing in between.

Presumably Mr Broussard is drawing arbitrary lines of distinction and imposing his own, or his theology's impressions of what "kinds" of things are and whether they are "successful" at being that. It is imposing theological ideas of what a person or a cat is and whether it is successful at being that.

I propose a more sensible way of looking at things is that, things are what they are, and we form impressions about whether they are "good" meaning we make judgment calls on whether their existence or behaviour is consistent with certain values. What these values are and what accounts for them is another question.

But to say that goodness is the same as existence, just pushes the concept of goodness and morality into a vagueness that deprives it of any relevant meaning.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mike https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75728 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75728 In reply to William Davis.

Whatever it is Greek did NOT write the NT; it was translated into the lingua franca which was Greek but it was written by jews.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75680 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75680 In reply to Kevin Aldrich.

I do engineering. Almost all first drafts of a project are flawed, so we have to make revisions and repairs. Better engineer's first drafts require fewer revisions. Some engineer's designs are so back they require constant meddling. From the point the view of a engineer this idea is a sign of fallibility. If the universe is God's cosmic play-toy/ongoing project, maybe not :) I suppose it depends on how you define perfect. Language can be annoyingly ambiguous sometimes. I'm surrounded by protestants, so it is difficult to separate my views of Christianity from theirs, though I try. The flexibility possible in interpreting the Bible is enormous, though obviously some interpretations are better than others. The more I learn about Catholicism, the better it seems compared to its protestant counterparts, though this could be a "grass is greener on the other side of the fence" bias.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75671 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:34:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75671 In reply to Kevin Aldrich.

Marcionism is now considered heretical, but it was a legitimate dispute back then. Paul is the only Jew we know of who wrote New Testament books, and of those attributed to him were likely forged. All of the Gospels were anonymous and it is very likely that Greeks wrote them as only 5 % of the population were literate, and those that were literature usually learned to write in their native language. Most of the books are also written long after any original disciples had entered into old age and/or died (life expectancy was low back then). The Jews generally rejected Christianity, and still do, that is why they are still Jews. Paul was a notable exception. Christian interpretations of the Old Testament are quite different than that of Jews, especially with regard to the Messiah. I defer to Jews for the proper interpretation of their religious scriptures, of course, but is quite amazing as to what the Greeks made it into. Platonic concepts such as of the immortality of the soul appeared later.
Nothing I'm saying should be that surprising, I thought this was a standard historical view held by most historical scholars of the time period

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/key-attributes-perfection-and-the-three-omnis/#comment-75674 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:34:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4763#comment-75674 In reply to Mike.

See my reply to Kevin below.

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