极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Will We Have Free Will in Heaven? https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:06:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Emily https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-177543 Fri, 23 Jun 2017 04:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-177543 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

I just want to know if there is any t.v. up in heaven so the Angeles and GOD can see us from Heaven especially Elvis Presley can see me from Heaven making things right with him

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极速赛车168官网 By: Rob Abney https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-177447 Sat, 17 Jun 2017 11:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-177447 In reply to Ron.

Jesus Christ was more free than us, yet was incapable of sin. The souls in heaven are more free than us, yet they are incapable of sin.

I think you are using the word "incapable" to mean unable, but incapable could also mean "choosing" but not choosing unwisely.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ron https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-177439 Sat, 17 Jun 2017 03:14:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-177439 I don't see how this is supported by Catholic Theology. You said in the previous article:

"It's commonly thought that the reason he [creates us with the ability to reject him] is that, if he didn't let people freely choose between good and evil then they would just be puppets--programmed robots."

There really is no Catholic teaching supporting this. In fact, it supports the opposite. The less capable we are of choosing evil, (i.e beholding the Beatific Vision) the more free we become. The souls in heaven, as you mentioned, are incapable of sin, yet are more free than us. For, freedom itself is defined as the ability to choose the good. Being incapable of choosing evil is the purest instantiation of freedom, it seems. Freedom has never been defined as simply a choice between good and evil anyway. It's a choice between perceived goods.

Then, when you pose the question "Why didn't God create us initially with the Beatific vision" you end up answering "God wants us to freely choose to commit to him--or not." Again, this cannot be the answer. Jesus Christ was more free than us, yet was incapable of sin. The souls in heaven are more free than us, yet they are incapable of sin.

I don't see how Catholicism can answer the objection that God could have just created us with the Beatific Vision originally, considering it's not something that can be earned to begin with. It's an infinitely disproportionate reward compared to whatever actions we take, including loving God himself.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Prometheus Light https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-169402 Thu, 08 Sep 2016 21:19:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-169402 In reply to abm.

What I meant is that there is no way to solve the problem of evil when you adopt the pressupositions inherent in Christian theology (any version of it). But, in my view, there is no compeling reason to adopt these pressupositions. In fact, "theology" is invention and all "theological problems" have no merit. In this sense, is pointless trying to solve this problem. It doesn't really exist, like the Christian god. I think this is precisely the point advanced by Epicurus. Argumentum ad absurdum...

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极速赛车168官网 By: abm https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-166860 Fri, 29 Jul 2016 07:52:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-166860 In reply to Prometheus Light.

I agree that Christian theology is a problem. But I fail to see how that makes evil a false problem.

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极速赛车168官网 By: AJA0 https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-111713 Wed, 15 Apr 2015 03:41:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-111713 In reply to Caravelle.

>I've answered it three times!
Are we having the same conversation?

Tell me how an atheist can say raping a child is always wrong. Where is his source for morality?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Caravelle https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-109157 Tue, 07 Apr 2015 10:33:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-109157 In reply to AJA0.

I've answered your question three times, which you've ignored, and you've refused to answer any of mine. "Letting me off" LOL try again.

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极速赛车168官网 By: AJA0 https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-109073 Tue, 07 Apr 2015 03:52:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-109073 In reply to Caravelle.

I'm not letting you off that quickly. You imply there are alternatives to atheists besides subjective morality.

Tell me, for an atheist, what is the basis for an objective morality? Be clear.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Caravelle https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-88745 Mon, 09 Feb 2015 11:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-88745 In reply to AJA0.

Therefore, they have no standard of morality, it's all relative.

Incorrect. Some agree with this, others don't, to another extent it's semantics.

I notice you haven't addressed the standards that people are responsible for the foreseeable consequences of the choices they make, or that suffering an eternity of torment is an extremely negative outcome. You're the one who supposedly has standard of morality when others don't - do you disagree with those statements ?

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极速赛车168官网 By: AJA0 https://strangenotions.com/will-we-have-free-will-in-heaven/#comment-88640 Sun, 08 Feb 2015 15:57:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3923#comment-88640 In reply to Caravelle.

Dodging the question. Atheists disbelieve (or 'lack belief' if you prefer), in God. Therefore, they have no standard of morality, it's all relative.

Is raping children always wrong? Yes or no? If you say it is, then what's your standard for that morality? Who decides it's always wrong?

If you say it isn't, there's nothing left to discuss.

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