极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Can Darwinism Survive without Teleology? https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 05 Mar 2019 20:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: michael https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-197371 Tue, 05 Mar 2019 20:57:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-197371 In reply to geekborj.

Fitness is self-explanatory because if it were any different it would not work.

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极速赛车168官网 By: michael https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-197370 Tue, 05 Mar 2019 20:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-197370 In reply to geekborj.

Survival a consequence, not a purpose, of natural selection. Getting burnt di s a consequence, not a purpose,f of accidentally putting your hand on an active stove.

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极速赛车168官网 By: michael https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-197369 Tue, 05 Mar 2019 20:54:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-197369 In reply to geekborj.

It is an attribute, not an objective, of light to do that.

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极速赛车168官网 By: geekborj https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-156435 Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:42:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-156435 In reply to Chase Miller.

So as scientific arguments would rely on nature having some kind or degree of order. Order in things imply that they are ordered for at least one purpose. Things: idea, material, agent, purpose. The agent uses the material to make present an idea to effect a specific purpose.

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极速赛车168官网 By: geekborj https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-154182 Sun, 15 Nov 2015 08:37:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-154182 In reply to Chase Miller.

"Natural purpose" refers to that which we try to quantify and consider as being "optimized" (e.g. minimize energy, maximize entropy, action integral, etc). Either we deny such and label them as "apparent" or fail to recognize that it's part of the philosophy of nature -- the nature of the object in question. The end of natural selection is not fitness, rather it is survival and perpetuation of the species, "fitness" is its measure as optimized.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chase Miller https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-154121 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:23:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-154121 In reply to geekborj.

The apparent end to natural selection and evolution is fitness, however, implicit statements that nature can have goals, or any end seem illegitimate. The natural teleological argument would rely on nature having some intrinsic purpose

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chase Miller https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-154120 Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:18:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-154120 What is this? Evolutionary biology is inherently non-teleological. There is no end to any evolutionary path no matter how long an organism stays in the same environment. And there are a ton of ways (analogous) to get to comparable fitness.

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极速赛车168官网 By: geekborj https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-132570 Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:23:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-132570 In reply to nych.

Light does not need to know in order to behave as it does. When we say as "cause", it pertains to the effect. Precisely what is said that "photons just do what they do" because they are things which we call / label as "photons". The reason why they exhibit those "patterns" and "predictable repetitions" are due to their very nature to be such --- _esse_, it's what they are so they behave as they are.

Plants photosynthesize because they are plants, not the other way around. Thus, when we see an organism that photosynthesizes, we definitely say that they are plants (or at least plantlike).

Thus, by nature: Plant nature => photosynthesis
As observed: This thing can photosynthesize, thus, it must be a plant by virtue of the nature of plants.

Cause => Effect
Principle (or Nature) as such => Properties of such

Behavior does not make a thing it is. But it is the behavior that is manifested by things because of their nature. I may behave like a human being but that does not make me one. ;-)

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极速赛车168官网 By: geekborj https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-132567 Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:18:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-132567 In reply to nych.

Light does not need to know in order to behave as it does. When we say as "cause", it pertains to the effect. Precisely what is said that "photons just do what they do" because they are things which we call / label as "photons". The reason why they exhibit those "patterns" and "predictable repetitions" are due to their very nature to be such --- _esse_, it's what they are so they behave as they are.

Plants photosynthesize because they are plants, not the other way around. Thus, when we see an organism that photosynthesizes, we definitely say that they are plants (or at least plantlike).

Thus, by nature: Plant nature => photosynthesis
As observed: This thing can photosynthesize, thus, it must be a plant by virtue of the nature of plants.

Cause => Effect
Principle (or Nature) as such => Properties of such

Behavior does not make a thing it is. But it is the behavior that is manifested by things because of their nature. I may behave like a human being but that does not make me one. ;-)

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极速赛车168官网 By: geekborj https://strangenotions.com/can-darwinism-survive-without-teleology/#comment-128146 Sun, 31 May 2015 14:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3647#comment-128146 In reply to nych.

The innate tendency to ascribe agency must have been a useful trait enabling humans to survive and adapt to changing environment and modifying it to suit his survivorship as a species over tens of thousands of years. As such, ascribing agency in all motion must be a good approximation to the truth and reality.

I do not see how the lion is a counter example to teleology.

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