极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Hannah Arendt and the Shadow of Evil https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:08:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-55805 Tue, 29 Jul 2014 16:08:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-55805 In reply to Chris Kozub.

After the instant of conception everything about that human being is there, genetically speaking.

So, the essence of humanity is in a chemical?

I'll readily admit to being a reductionist myself, but I wouldn't take my reductionism that far.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chris Kozub https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-31059 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 16:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-31059 In reply to Zipper666.

My objection is based on science as well as religion. After the instant of conception everything about that human being is there, genetically speaking. Nothing is provided for the remainder of its life other than food and oxygen. If we take those away from you you will die, too.

So, your reasoning for keeping it legal is that no matter what people are going to want and pursue abortion no matter if it is legal or not. Well, murder is also illegal and people still do that, don't they? So, to prevent them from buying illegal guns or some sort of poison, or hiring a hitman, we should simply make it legal since there will always be people who are going to do it anyway.

I also find your argument that any child who would be born as a result of abortion no longer being legal will wind up as a ward of the state and on government assistance for the rest of their lives cynical at best and downright disturbed at its worst. So, by this argument it can be said that any person who is a 'burden' to society, is less than human, and not productive and therefore undesirable and disposable. So, it won't take long to eliminate those with birth defects of either a physical or mental nature. Oh, wait, that is already happening. 90% of pregnancies that are detected to have the POSSIBILITY of a birth defect via amniocentesis are terminated, whether or not they are conceived in a household with a high income and with both parents present or not. This whole argument sounds a lot like the same arguments for purity and productivity that a weird little man with a funny mustache espoused 60-70 years ago from Germany.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Zipper666 https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-31052 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:40:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-31052 In reply to Chris Kozub.

Nonsense.
Your objections to abortion are based on religion, my support for it is based on hard medical science.
As for the "ethnic cleansing" BS perhaps you'd care to explain how the US economy would cope with those 50 million extra mouths to feed, especially in families that already have multiple children and no male partner in residence.
In a country where senior politicians are attempting to curtail Welfare, Food Stamps and any kind of Social safety net how does increasing the birth rate benefit us?
There is a major difference between saying you do not approve of abortion on "moral grounds" and actually trying to ban it completely.
We know how well Prohibition did to eliminate the consumption of alcohol. Similarly, a ban on abortion simply drives it underground. Those with money will simply fly to Canada, Mexico or Europe, those less wealthy will be serviced by back street abortionists and once more women will die of eclampsia, blood poisoning and lack of post partum care. No doubt in your view this is God's punishment for their "sin".

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chris Kozub https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-31037 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:31:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-31037 In reply to Chris Kozub.

Also, regarding your point "patients go through making probably the toughest decision of their life" if this is as true as you claim (and I believe it is) why is it the toughest decision of the their lives? If, like you say, it isn't a human, then what difference does it make to end the pregnancy? the fact is, it's so tough because they know it is their child they are choosing to kill and the fact is Planned Parenthood, other abortion providers, and society at large, make these women feel as if they have no choice but to choose to end the pregnancy. Ironic, really, that pro-choice often means they feel they have no choice.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chris Kozub https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-31036 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:21:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-31036 In reply to Zipper666.

See what you did there, "I'm sure you would insist that a 14 year old girl raped by her step-father and pregnant should accept the pregnancy as a "Gift from God". Same old argument that 'what about rape'? Less than 1/10th of 1% of all abortions are from women who have been raped. So, what about the other 99.9% of all abortions? Why not change the law that only a woman who is raped can have an abortion? Because deep down it's an ethnic cleansing tool just like the holocaust. The black population in the US would be twice what it is today if not for abortion. If you want to talk about the horror of what happens at Planned Parenthood, try reading Abby Johnson's book "Unplanned" She was a director of a Planned Parenthood clinic in Texas until she had to participate in an ultra-sound assisted abortion herself. What they do is MURDER, pure and simple.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Zipper666 https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-31032 Tue, 24 Sep 2013 06:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-31032 In reply to Chris Kozub.

"Child interferes with abortive "mother's" happiness"
See what you did there? You use the same tired old meme that every woman that has an abortion does it because it's inconvenient.
Stop spouting dogma that even The Holy See is backing away from.
It's NOT an "unborn child" and it's NOT "murder" except in your superstitious take on it.
I'm sure you would insist that a 14 year old girl raped by her step-father and pregnant should accept the pregnancy as a "Gift from God".
Maybe you should go and talk with counselors at Planned Parenthood to see the reality of their work and the emotional torment their patients go through making probably the toughest decision of their life.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chris Kozub https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-31005 Mon, 23 Sep 2013 19:04:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-31005 In reply to Zipper666.

I appreciate your response, but it's not false equivalence. Jew interferes with Nazi "happiness" therefore eliminate the less than human Jew= problem solved... Child interferes with abortive "mother's" happiness, therefore eliminate the less than human unborn child. The Jew nor the unborn child were asked if they would like to be killed for the sake of the Nazi or regretful mother. The woman's choice isn't controlling her own body but killing another person inside of her. The only lack of equivalence is that Nazi's killed 6 million and we have murdered over 50 million since Roe v Wade.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Zipper666 https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-30989 Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:19:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-30989 Let us remember that history is written by the victors. If the German's had succeeded in conquering and controlling Continental Europe and brokering a peace with the United States people like Eichmann would be in their "Hall of Fame".
As far as Arendt's conclusions, she was amongst the first to realize that blind support of the Zionist State of Israel allowed a new trope of Holocaust to be visited upon the Palestinians by a people that knew better but ignored their own earlier suffering at the hand of despots.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Zipper666 https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-30988 Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:14:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-30988 In reply to Chris Kozub.

That's a bit of a stretch and in any case a false equivalence. The politics of abortion rights is not some conspiracy to "force" abortion on women but to give them control over their own bodies and NOT be judged by others on religious grounds.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Chris Kozub https://strangenotions.com/hannah-arendt/#comment-30983 Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3692#comment-30983 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

It is no different than the allure we Americans and others place on abortion. The Nazis wanted political, ideological, and religious freedom from what they considered to be "inferior" influences. They thought the Jews were interfering with their ability to find their own version of happiness. We allow abortion because we should be free to have sex with whom we please, when we please, and should be free to eliminate the repercussions of those encounters. The Nazi's no more believed that Jews and other "undesirables" were any more human than we, as a society, believe an unborn baby isn't human.

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