极速赛车168官网 Comments on: The Absolute Simplicity of Unconditioned Reality https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Mon, 02 Apr 2018 23:55:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Luis Vera https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-188364 Mon, 02 Apr 2018 23:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-188364 It makes sense, but i notice a gap, you demostrated there must be at least one unconditional reality, and here you demostrate that if it is capable of grounding any conditioned reality, it's absolutely simple, and later, you proof from this there can only be one UR, but my question is, why must the at least one UR be able to ground all CR, i get that latter you demostrate that there is only One, therefore it must ground all CR, but again, you proof this oneness parting from it's simplcity, how will you deduce it's simplicity that is, how do you proof it must be able to ground all CR to begin with

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极速赛车168官网 By: Luis Vera https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-188356 Mon, 02 Apr 2018 22:45:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-188356 It makes sense, but one possible objection that comes to mind is this: What if unconditioned reality was simple present at __all__ points of space and time, my answer was as follows: if it's in all parts of space, it has parts, therefoe it's not truly UR as you could boil it down to more ssential bits, same applies for time, if it existed in all points of time, you could differentiate between UR __then__ and UR __now__, you could boil it down to more essential bits, therefore, in any case, UR must trascend both space and time

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极速赛车168官网 By: Radagast De Bruine https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-181204 Mon, 02 Oct 2017 14:12:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-181204 Dear Mr. Broussard,
If I understand you well, there's some circular reasoning here.
You conclude there can only be one UR because a non-UR can't exist, because it would be incompatible with UR and at the same time be grounded in it. However, in this reasoning, you assume the existence of only one UR. A non-UR1 could be grounded in some other UR2, with which it is compatible with non-UR1. At the same time, non-UR2 could be grounded in UR1, which solves the problem.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Elijah Johnson https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-84428 Wed, 21 Jan 2015 23:08:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-84428 Dear Mr. Broussard,

I find your work and Fr. Spitzers' work very insightful. I had two questions about this article if you had the time.

1) You explained, "if this incompatible state of being, 'not X,' would exclude from itself and be incompatible with the only thing that could ultimately fulfill its conditions for existence, namely unconditioned reality, then it could not in principle be real or really possible—i.e., it couldn’t exist or even possibly exist." It seems as if you are already assuming that "unconditioned reality" is one single reality. But at this point in the proof, it has not been proven that unconditioned reality is unique. For the moment, let's imagine multiple unconditioned realities X, Y, and Z. If X is restricted, I understand that "not X" would be incompatible with X. But because we're imagining multiple unconditioned realities, X does not necessarily have to ultimately fulfill the conditions for "not X." The conditions for "not X" could be fulfilled by unconditioned reality Y or Z. So, why does there have to be only one unconditioned reality?

2) You say that for any reality that is restricted, there are "real or really possible" incompatible states on the same level of simplicity. By "really possible" do you mean not logically self-contradictory? Just because something is not logically self-contradictory does not necessarily mean it is actually possible, right? Something must have a means for existing (unless its unconditioned). Therefore, why does there need to be a reality that is absolutely simple? It appears to me that there only needs to be a reality that is simpler than any actually existing reality, not that there needs to be an absolutely simple reality.

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极速赛车168官网 By: bbrown https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-81658 Sat, 10 Jan 2015 23:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-81658 In reply to Vicq Ruiz.

The Unconditioned Reality is perfectly loving and knows the damage that buying condoms will do to your soul and to others.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Thomas Cothran https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-74375 Sat, 29 Nov 2014 18:12:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-74375 In reply to Karlo Broussard.

Karlo:

I can see how the interaction thesis is plausible, given the examples you've given, but I can't see its necessity. The fact that we can't imagine a situation in which two exclusive realities interact doesn't mean in 50 years some physicists won't discover exclusive entities that do interact in such a way.

Just think how long we accepted Euclid's parallel postulate before the advent of non-Euclidean geometry! I'm always uncomfortable with an argument using the current limits of our imagination to establish a priori necessity. Particularly in this argument you and Fr. Spitzer have presented, because I think it's airtight everywhere else.

Moreover, it seems that there are metaphysical views that do not require real mediums like space and time for substances to interact. If, as the Thomist W. Norris Clarke argues, space and time are abstractions of the properties or relations of substances, and if, further, those relations are internal to those substances, there is no need to posit the real existence of an independent medium in which such things interact. That is, on (at least one form of) Thomist metaphysics, space and time are not realities, but abstractions we generate in our minds from the properties of things. It seems clear to me that substances could then be viewed as interacting without a simpler medium.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Karlo Broussard https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-73841 Wed, 26 Nov 2014 21:43:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-73841 In reply to Thomas Cothran.

Hey Thomas,

Thanks for the insightful questions. I will be honest and say that I will have to dig a little deeper to construct a clearer articulation of this point. I spoke with Fr. for a short period and he basically said that, a priori, how could two incompatible/excluded states of being have any sort of interrelationship/interaction/unification with one another unless there was some medium simpler than those exclusionary properties (e.g., electro. field with electrons and protons; light and particles & waves, etc) that allows for the interrelationship/interaction/unification. As Fr. said, if there was nothing more simple doing the unification of the opposed states then the opposed states would be totally unrelated - appealing again to the act of mentation that unifies the opposed states of square and circle. It is absolutely correct to say that the boundaries of square and circle prohibit them from being in the same place at the same time in the same respect, even in the mind, but there could be no sort of relationship (unification/interaction) among these contents of thought unless the mind is free of the boundaries of these thought contents (i.e., simpler in nature). But, like I said, I will have to dig a little deeper. Thanks again for the insightful thoughts.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Thomas Cothran https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-73820 Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:38:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-73820 In reply to Karlo Broussard.

Karlo:

I still am not sure I see the argument. Are you deducing the claim that exclusive realities cannot interact except through a simpler reality from the definition of exclusivity/incompatibility? That is, are you saying it follows analytically from the definitions? I don't see how the definition of exclusivity or boundaries (which I'm not sure has been given in the first place) entails that claim.

I'm not sure how you would make that argument without bringing in further metaphysical presuppositions. As I understand exclusivity/incompatibility, it is a thesis primarily about whether things can coexist at the same place and time. It would seem you need additional assumptions about causation in order to get to the non-interacting claim.

Not saying there's not an argument for it, but I don't think it's been made, unless its buried somewhere in these comments.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Gijs Schenk https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-73811 Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-73811 While it was clear to me in the first article that the cells of a cat are conditioned building blocks, it isn't clear to me now why the most fundamental building blocks of that cat can't be unconditioned. After reading the first article, which showed that there must be at least one unconditioned reality, I expected this article to explain that, but instead it took off, I think, with the presupposition that the unconditioned reality is something independent from the conditioned things / cats. As I see it, this article basically says 'a fundamental unconditioned reality must be simpler than the things it is fundamental to'. That would be true if it would be a reality that encompasses conditioned things, but not if it is a reality that is just a fundamental building block (then it wouldn't even make sense to say that). Did I miss something here?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Thomas Cothran https://strangenotions.com/the-absolute-simplicity-of-unconditioned-reality/#comment-73799 Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:34:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4673#comment-73799 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

Paul: thanks to you too. I think you make some good points, and I'll be attempting to fix and clarify some areas of my own formulation of this argument you helped me see were underdeveloped.

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