极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Revisiting the Argument from Desire https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:20:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-78476 Mon, 29 Dec 2014 17:20:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-78476 In reply to Mary Beth Miranda.

When I was a believer, my church made me feel guilty about lots of things. Fortunately, I was able to get over it, but the notion that some people can't make other people feel certain things is, in my considered judgment, a load of New Age claptrap.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Sevcik https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-76844 Wed, 17 Dec 2014 02:39:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-76844 Hmmm, you all see Pope Francis news release today about sin. Me thinks that my post about sin is precisely how we are wired. I also think it pleases God when we come to him honestly as we are-- sinners.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Sevcik https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-75467 Mon, 08 Dec 2014 14:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-75467 Fr. Sean, I don't think so. Here's why: as a race, we love sin, we love evil and we are depraved. I know the Catholic church teaches we are only kind of "a little bit" depraved but I'm more and more of the opinion -- totally depraved. Left on our own, we always choose sin and evil. It's simply how our sinful nature (physically, mentally and spiritually) is wired. Consider how almost everything humanity touchs apart from God turns out evil. EVERYTHING. This is why the passage in John 15:16 makes so much sense, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you." In arrogance many think they have choosen God, Jesus and their faith. Dreamers! The only thing we choose in a fallen state apart from the Lord, Jesus Christ, is sin, depravity and evil. Perhaps there is a way for God to take the passion of many skeptics and turn it into a passion for Christianity. With God, all things are possible. Without God....eternal horror, evil and sin....

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极速赛车168官网 By: Doug Shaver https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-75461 Mon, 08 Dec 2014 03:02:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-75461 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

Perhaps even in spite of mounting data that there will be no food to be found, the dog has been "tricked" by his DNA to keep seeking, seeking, seeking.

The only trick a dog's DNA needs to perform is to make the dog look for food when it's hungry, and if food is not found in one place, look in another place, and if the food isn't there, either, look in yet another place, and repeat the process until one of two things happens: (1) the dog finds food, or (2) the dog collapses from exhaustion and dies of starvation.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ignatius Reilly https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-73145 Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:42:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-73145 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

Jim, sorry for the late response. Been really busy lately. If you are still interested here is my response.

Do you think there is any reason that I should privilege my primary
experience of matter over and above my primary experience of desire? Why would I treat one as more real than the other? Why is either one a more valid starting place for an argument?

I'm not sure exactly what you are getting at here, but I will give you my thinking on the matter to see if that answers your questions. If we look at all the desires that we have, we can ask the question "why do we have this or that desire" and look for sufficient explanations.

For instance, we desire food, so we do not starve and die. We desire sex, so our species can continue. We sexually reproduce, because it gives us certain advantages over asexual reproduction.

The next question I would ask, is are there consequences of our desires that suggest that they came from an undirected process rather than design. I would say that the answer to this is yes. For instance, it would be nice to be able to reproduce without all of the angst that accompanies the teenage years. Also, what about the sexual desires of pedophiles. I would think a designer God would have designed the human race without this defect.

Some humans have a strong desire to commit unspeakable acts of violence. I can understand this desire in an evolutionary context, for instance, "in the state of nature" a violent predisposition could cause a great deal of evolutionary success. However, why would a designer God include such possible excesses in our nature?

I'm not sure we can say that humans have a desire for God. We have a desire for happiness ( chemical balance in the brain), safety, longevity, etc. I don't think anybody innately desires God - we are just taught that various good things come with worshiping him and obeying his commandments, while various bad things come about if we do not. Religious belief plays on our desires, and uses the proverbial carrot and stick to keep us believing.

If the desire for God is innate, why do different civilizations have vastly different conceptions, based upon their experiences?

What is the difference between a human belief that is a properly
adaptive response to all human-inhabited environments, and a human
belief that corresponds to truth? (Is there any difference?)

I would say that the former makes the most sense in terms of adaptation, while the latter beliefs stem from proper methods,like science and deductive logic.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mike O'Leary https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-73022 Wed, 19 Nov 2014 00:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-73022 In reply to Mary Beth Miranda.

The analogy is far too malleable to be of any use whatsoever. Ben wrote it as counterfeit money suggests that there is real money. A represents B, therefore B exists. I plugged in my niece's toy dragon into the equation and the analogy fell part.Breaking down your explanation a toy dragon suggests the existence of the concept of dragons which suggests a fantasy world in which that dragon exists which suggests there is another world (reality) apart from the world which contains the dragon. In short A represents B, therefore C exists which contains B, therefore not C exists.You're saying this analogy of the counterfeit money covers both examples. So if we plug one of the possible gods into the equation, do we go with the first equation which shows this god exists; or do we go with the second equation which says the world in which or proposed god exists isn't real and differs from reality?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Brandon Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-72995 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-72995 In reply to Mary Beth Miranda.

I ain't the Buddha.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Louise Hunt https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-72989 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 17:04:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-72989 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

First mention of admitting to having Original Sin. Good. Jesus is Truth. He is our Divine Master. Through Jesus we learn the Way to Live and have Life.
I have read this far and the childhood song came to mind, "All around the mulberry bush, the monkey chase the weazle....."
Hope you don't mind having an old, cradle Catholic chime in..Love to you all. Keep praying..

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mary Beth Miranda https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-72986 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:03:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-72986 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

Have you ever had a desire for something, and when that desire is seemingly fulfilled, you begin to desire for something else, and so on and so on and so on? Do you honestly think there could ever, in your lifetime with all your wits about you, be a day when All your desires are met, all of your longings fulfilled? And I mean All, completely, nothing else left, nada. Oh, you can? But what will the next day be like, or the next week or the next year? Will that feeling of complete fulfillment of whatever that desire was last 'til your last breath?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mary Beth Miranda https://strangenotions.com/revisiting-the-argument-from-desire/#comment-72983 Tue, 18 Nov 2014 15:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4659#comment-72983 In reply to Mike O'Leary.

There is no problem with his counterfeit money analogy. The stuffed dragon toy represents a fantasy world which suggests the existence of a Real non-fantastical world.

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