极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Varieties of (Non)Belief https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Kelly https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-181061 Fri, 29 Sep 2017 02:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-181061 In reply to Max Driffill.

I'm very late to this conversation so perhaps your understanding has changed since this was written. I'll make my comment anyway for anyone else that comes along like I did.
You seem to be caught in a false dichotomy here. The two options you pose are;
1) Something is good because God wills it.
2) God wills something because it is good.
The actual answer is that neither of the above is true, rather God wills something because he is good.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Lazarus https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-162708 Sun, 01 May 2016 16:37:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-162708 In reply to Mindsunwound.

Not apathetic enough to ignore the article, or to not get "irked". Not apathetic enough not to post.

Good.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Brandon Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-54072 Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:33:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-54072 In reply to Erick Chastain.

That's a good point, and that's one of several reasons why I have now modified Q3. Now the three questions are:

1) Do you believe that God exists?
2) Would you prefer God to exist?
3) Do you live as though other people are ends unto themselves instead of merely means to an end?

Q3 still needs some work. If you have any suggestions, I'd be happy to hear them.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Erick Chastain https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-54069 Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-54069 Hi Paul, I actually like the classification. I thought you might find it interesting that most of the mystical saints in the church actually fit under your "reluctant theist" category. I don't like the label "reluctant" but anyhow, St. Teresa of Avila has a quote in which she says "if this is the way you treat your friends, it's no wonder you have so few." Also Pope Francis recently talked about bargaining with God, and Moses and Abraham chastised God. I myself wish that I could have my old atheist lifestyle back, as it was much easier and more comforting! So I and these saints don't wish that God didn't exist strongly, but view a world with God as harder to live in than one without him (assuming the second is even possible).

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极速赛车168官网 By: Erick Chastain https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-54068 Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:45:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-54068 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

If most non-believers act according to "Catholic morality," why is it that according to the polls by the pew forum most atheists tend to support same-sex marriage and tend to be pro-choice? These are not Catholic positions (as you know).

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极速赛车168官网 By: James https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-53502 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 15:18:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-53502 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

Take care :)

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Brandon Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-53497 Wed, 18 Jun 2014 14:24:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-53497 In reply to James.

Thanks for the link and for the advice.

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极速赛车168官网 By: James https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-53437 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:11:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-53437 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

I favor sticking to strictly beliefs; however, if you wanted something that dealt more with "actions," then consider a very specific action that might distinguish different individuals. For example, Roman Catholics range a spectrum of individuals who are very adherent to the faith and those who really don't care about the faith that much. This Get Religion article talks about different subsets of Roman Catholics in the US such as "Sunday Morning Catholics," "Cultural Catholics" and "Sweat the Details Catholics." Just looking at the very specific action of church attendance, some relatively accurate generalizations could be made. I don't know how you would implement this with the non-religious population, but if you can find a specific action that would help define the non-religious population, that might help you with creating a definition.

Here is the article:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/getreligion/2012/02/stalking-the-mythical-catholic-vote-yet-again/

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mike https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-53394 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 13:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-53394 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

Well it took me i swear what seemed like a couple of years to get that out of a particular atheist i engage with; i was stunned that he believed in objective universal timeless morality, not an afterlife but according to his assumptions i pointed out that he couldn't rule it out entirely especially bc he believes that we are nothing but atoms albeit atoms with "emergent" properties like soul possibly and certainly consciousness....anyway i hope you don't mind me saying i think he's trying to "smuggle" in morality but still his position is i think new and unique among traditional atheists like dawkins.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter https://strangenotions.com/varieties-of-nonbelief/#comment-53392 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 12:24:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4173#comment-53392 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

The bulk of those who oppose the fideisitic movement call themselves atheists because, by scientifically refuting creationist arguments, they believe they have removed the necessity for God and consequently see no reason for him to exist. However, all they have done is refute the creationist God and yet they act as though they have refuted the God of creation.

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