indeed make it simple, to learn makes you a better person and to learn is to discover that there is God.

Or did I misunderstand what you said?

Yes. My intended meaning was: It is true of all people that they do not always, every chance they get, help others who are suffering.

That implies nothing about whether, or how much, or in what way, any particular person cares about the suffering of other people.

I'm not asking them to.

So, you're judging them based upon a code of which they're not aware?

Only as much as everyone judges others. We all have opinions about how other people behave, don't we?

I meant, as opposed to judging God. Because you said:

In the present context, it might suffice to say that if some people are suffering, and I have the means to alleviate their suffering without aggravating the suffering of other people, then that is what I should do.

The only One I know who allows suffering without assisting them, is God (See the book of Job). I don't know anyone who wouldn't assist someone if they could.

And below, you seem to concur:

You mean always, every chance they get? Every human being I've ever met or ever heard of.

Unless you're including yourself in the number of uncaring human beings, that means that all human beings you've ever met care about those who suffer, right?

Or did I misunderstand what you said?

Then, how do you expect anyone else to follow your idea of morality?

I'm not asking them to.

You're judging people, right?

Only as much as everyone judges others. We all have opinions about how other people behave, don't we?

Which people do you know that do not alleviate the suffering of others, when they can?

You mean always, every chance they get? Every human being I've ever met or ever heard of.

Doug Shaver De Maria • 8 hours ago

I cannot present an intelligible account of my moral philosophy in the space of a single forum post.

Then, how do you expect anyone else to follow your idea of morality? More, how can you judge someone on your idea of morality when you haven't revealed what it is to them?

In the present context, it might suffice to say that if some people are suffering, and I have the means to alleviate their suffering without aggravating the suffering of other people, then that is what I should do.

You're judging people, right? Which people do you know that do not alleviate the suffering of others, when they can?

I cannot present an intelligible account of my moral philosophy in the space of a single forum post. In the present context, it might suffice to say that if some people are suffering, and I have the means to alleviate their suffering without aggravating the suffering of other people, then that is what I should do.

You have a standard of morality? Before you judge someone's morality upon your standard, shouldn't you inform them about your standard and explain what it is?

Otherwise, its kind of like putting a blindfold on an archer and telling him to shoot at a target he can't see. He's doomed to fail.

Oh, wait. You're judging people based upon someone else's standard, is that it? Whose standard would that be?

Wait, wait. You're not usurping the moral standard set by the One whom you said, "I don't think God is, period." That would be totally illogical.

But, I'll let you explain.

Who do you think God is that He should be subject to your notion of morality?

I don't think God is, period. I'm not judging his morality. I'm judging the morality of those who say he exists.