极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Tolerance, Choice, Argument, and Religion https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: piya https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-240225 Tue, 24 Oct 2023 11:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-240225 Technology Counter is that helps businesses choose the right software for their specific needs.
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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46076 Wed, 26 Feb 2014 13:00:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46076 In reply to Micha_Elyi.

I do not argue anything is utterly wrong. The idea is that once you allow religious instruction in public institutions based on individual subjective religious beliefs, anyone can say anything as long as they have a somewhat sincere belief that it is tied to a religion. It is naive to think that individuals will only communicate religious ideas that you are comfortable with.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Moussa Taouk https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46068 Wed, 26 Feb 2014 02:25:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46068 In reply to Micha_Elyi.

Now you must ask yourself, what else are you utterly wrong about?

Micha_Elyi, forgive me if I'm out of place. Perhaps your intention is more pure than I am giving you credit for.

But questions like that above aren't going to suddenly convince others that they had better give up their atheist views and give their life over to God. Perhaps they are utterly wrong about many things. If so, it's better to show them, with every conceivable charity and with head bowed in humility, where the error of their view is. In so doing you will be speaking to them as brethren... beloved children of the Father.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46066 Wed, 26 Feb 2014 00:47:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46066 In reply to Micha_Elyi.

...is that denying their existence [i.e., the existence of moral absolutes] is itself a moral absolute.

I certainly don't see how you reach that conclusion. I think most theists here agree with the Dostoyevsky character who said, "If there is no God, everything is permitted." That would leave no room for moral absolutes, but it is not itself a moral absolute.

Perhaps you are thinking of statements like, "It is wrong to make moral judgments."

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极速赛车168官网 By: Micha_Elyi https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46065 Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:25:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46065 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

I don't want to censor religious views.

Yes you do. In your very next sentence you wrote...

I do want to limit religious speech...

The reason you give for your impulse to censor is irrelevant to the fact that you contradicted yourself.

Now you must ask yourself, what else are you utterly wrong about?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Micha_Elyi https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46064 Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:23:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46064 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

I don't want Jewish teachers telling kids that it is wrong to eat bacon.

Jewish teachers in gentile schools don't ever do that because Jewish religious law only applies to Jews.

So you must ask yourself, what else do you argue that is utterly wrong?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Micha_Elyi https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46061 Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46061 In reply to David Nickol.

One of the problems with moral absolutes...

...is that denying their existence is itself a moral absolute.

Oops!

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极速赛车168官网 By: Micha_Elyi https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46060 Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:10:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46060 In reply to Michael Murray.

...my mother was Anglican and father Catholic. I think they had to get married in a side part of the church not in the main part.
--Michael Murray

They "had to" because...
[ ] They wished to have have a modest, intimate ceremony and felt that the smaller "side part of the church" would better suit their wish.
[ ] The main part of the church was already reserved for use by others.
[ ] Family legend or faded memory of childhood says so.
[ ] Reason unknown.
[ ] Other (please provide full explanation and cite canon law, if applicable)

Check all that apply.

My father also talked about when he was a child and you had to fast 24 hours before taking the Eucharist...

(1) No one takes the Eucharist for that would mean we are entitled to it or have somehow earned it. The Eucharist is a gift from God. We receive.

(2) In your father's lifetime, the Eucharistic fast of the Western Church began no earlier than midnight of the day one received the Eucharist. In the discipline was later relaxed to three hours before reception and again to one hour before (the current discipline). Furthermore, the ill and their caretakers are exempted from the discipline altogether. The Eastern Churches have their own disciplines.

I also remember the time when Sunday was suddenly extended to include 6.30 pm - 12.00 am Saturday evening...

I remember that too. Liturgical Sunday begins at sundown on Saturday*, the beginning of the first (or eighth) day of the week according to ancient Jewish practice, and ends on midnight Sunday, the end of the day according to Greek and Roman practice. (Oh joy, did the shortened Eucharistic fasting discipline come in handy for those Saturday evening masses!) That a Saturday evening mass can fulfill the requirement for Holy Days of Obligation** (HDO) is an aid to travellers, many workers who must work on HDO in our industrial age, crowded parishes that must have many HDO masses to serve all parishioners who wish to participate in the mass, and the priests and parishioners of rural areas whose priests are shared with parishes sometimes hundreds of miles apart. Yes and some of us are weak***, at least from time to time, yet Jesus is merciful and wishes all to come to Him.
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FOOTNOTES (All the best comments have footnotes!)

* All Sundays are Holy Days of Obligation. (Watch out for Sisters who ask trick questions.)
** In the US the beginning of Liturgical Sunday has been generally accepted to be 3:30PM Saturday. This was established by the national bishop's conference for uniformity across the nation during the entire year. Local bishops may, in special cases, make further adjustments.
*** I could be wrong.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Micha_Elyi https://strangenotions.com/tolerance-choice-argument-and-religion/#comment-46059 Tue, 25 Feb 2014 22:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4017#comment-46059 In reply to Michael Murray.

...my mother was Anglican and father Catholic. I think they had to get married in a side part of the church not in the main part.
--Michael Murray

They "had to" because...

[ ] They wished to have have a modest, intimate ceremony and felt that the smaller "side part of the church" would better suit their wish.
[ ] The main part of the church was already reserved for use by others.
[ ] Family legend or faded memory of childhood says so.
[ ] Reason unknown.
[ ] Other (please provide full explanation and cite canon law, if applicable)

Check all that apply.

My father also talked about when he was a child and you had to fast 24 hours before taking the Eucharist...

(1) No one takes the Eucharist for that would mean we are entitled to it or have somehow earned it. The Eucharist is a gift from God. We receive.

(2) In your father's lifetime, the Eucharistic fast of the Western Church began no earlier than midnight of the day one received the Eucharist. In the discipline was later relaxed to three hours before reception and again to one hour before (the current discipline). Furthermore, the ill and their caretakers are exempted from the discipline altogether. The Eastern Churches have their own disciplines.

I also remember the time when Sunday was suddenly extended to include 6.30 pm - 12.00 am Saturday evening...

I remember that too. Liturgical Sunday begins at sundown on Saturday*, the beginning of the first (or eighth) day of the week according to ancient Jewish practice, and ends on midnight Sunday, the end of the day according to Greek and Roman practice. (Oh joy, did the shortened Eucharistic fasting discipline come in handy for those Saturday evening masses!) That a Saturday evening mass can fulfill the requirement for Holy Days of Obligation** (HDO) is an aid to travellers, many workers who must work on HDO in our industrial age, crowded parishes that must have many HDO masses to serve all parishioners who wish to participate in the mass, and the priests and parishioners of rural areas whose priests are shared with parishes sometimes hundreds of miles apart. Yes and some of us are weak***, at least from time to time, yet Jesus is merciful and wishes all to come to Him.
___________
FOOTNOTES (All the best comments have footnotes!)

* All Sundays are Holy Days of Obligation. (Watch out for Sisters who ask trick questions.)
** In the US the beginning of Liturgical Sunday has been generally accepted to be 3:30PM Saturday. This was established by the national bishop's conference for uniformity across the nation during the entire year. Local bishops may, in special cases, make further adjustments.
*** I could be wrong.

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