极速赛车168官网 Comments on: The Genesis Problem https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:45:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: nodelink https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-214361 Fri, 30 Oct 2020 11:45:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-214361 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month: on that day

All the fountains of the great abyss burst forth,
and the floodgates of the sky were opened.

For forty days and forty nights heavy rain poured down on the earth. - Genesis 7:11-12

While the number "forty" may reference well to the same number to other parts of the Bible, I don't see what's so allegorical about "In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, on the seventeenth day of the month". It looks historical to me.

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极速赛车168官网 By: alanutti https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-185749 Fri, 19 Jan 2018 15:58:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-185749 All the points here are viable..but the one missing link to all this when it comes to genetics and population and the human race is that certain bi-pedal species where genetically manipulated by a higher intelligence or intelligence's to create what we look like today. So god or the God's did some great science here...and it is all good.

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极速赛车168官网 By: daniel gordon sparrow https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-146016 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-146016 basic faith and belief.Daniel Gordon Sparrow.

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极速赛车168官网 By: james https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35961 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 15:31:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35961 As logic and reason demand, the creation myth may well symbolize
birth and death. God said to this first couple that if you eat the fruit
(of thy womb ?) you will die. The tree, in the middle of the garden
(the body) is the genitals. The Snake would then seem to be symbolic
of carnal knowledge. The covering with leaves of the torso and legs is
that of shame. “ Who told you, you were naked ?
When the Buddha sat under the tree and declared he was not
going to move until he understood why misery and death exist, God
whispered in his ear “Desire” Original sin could very well be called our
Original mortality. It is ironic that the first person born, Cain, turned out to
be a murderer, while Able, turned out to be the first person to kill – when
he took a beautiful lamb and slit its throat so God would be pleased. But
you would have to be well versed in eastern deism to understand why.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35953 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 11:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35953 In reply to Nicholas Escalona.

Is there any place where it's declared dogmatically that the beginning must have been a finite time ago? In other words, must Catholics believe that "beginning" is referring to a moment in space and time?

I find your references helpful but inconclusive on this point.

Many thanks for the education!

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极速赛车168官网 By: Nicholas Escalona https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35948 Thu, 14 Nov 2013 03:28:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35948 In reply to Paul Rimmer.

You have not grasped the Church's position on this.

The official and infallible Church teaching easiest for me to give you is Genesis 1:1; in principio creavit Deus cælum et terram.

From canon 1.5 of Vatican I: " If anyone does not confess that the world and all things which are contained in it, both spiritual and material, were produced, according to their whole substance, out of nothing by God... let him be anathema." A beginning to the world in time is clearly indicated.

It's deducible from this, by anyone who recognizes the Church's authority, that science will never and logically can never prove that the universe had no beginning. This is precisely because there is one truth and reason and faith cannot conflict. There is no risk at all, not to faith and not to rationality, because logical contradictions are impossible.

Even if we did not have that canon from Vatican I or Genesis 1:1 or any other formal declaration - that the world began has always been a constant assumption behind the words of the Fathers and the Magisterium and the Scriptures (for which reason the Church in its ordinary magisterium has continued to teach that the world began), and that alone would be enough.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35516 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 15:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35516 In reply to Nicholas Escalona.

Then you open yourself up to becoming the newest generation of flat-earthers, geocentrists and special creationists; in other words, pseudoscientific religionists.

Now, maybe you won't. Best scientific evidence currently is that the universe had a definite beginning, but there's no evidence currently one way or the other about whether it came from nothing. It is conceivable, however unlikely, that future work in science will discover that the cosmos never had a beginning, or started but not from nothing.

My money is that you can hold to your (in my opinion entirely unfounded and speculative) dogmatic belief about creation ex nihilo in space and time, and will safely avoid becoming a pseudoscientific religionist. But it's a risk. That's all I was saying. You risk either your faith or your rationality.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Nicholas Escalona https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35508 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 08:25:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35508 In reply to Paul Rimmer.

You asked about the Catholic Church, not individual fallible Catholics, let alone non-Catholics. Vatican I defines the matter clearly for all Catholics. If someone somehow does not think that the productio ex nihilo spoken of in canon 1.5 of Vat. I implies an act before which nothing existed, then the witness of Genesis 1:1 (with many other passages), the unanimous Fathers, and the constant teaching of the Church is more than enough to leave the answer totally without doubt. This belief has been foundational to Christianity so long it is inherited from the Jews.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35504 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 07:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35504 In reply to Nicholas Escalona.

Because some Christians don't think that the universe necessarily had a beginning. Some of the Catholics who replied to my comment don't think that the universe necessarily had a beginning.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Nicholas Escalona https://strangenotions.com/the-genesis-problem/#comment-35499 Thu, 07 Nov 2013 04:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3810#comment-35499 In reply to Paul Rimmer.

Science will never show that the universe had no beginning. The Church's teaching is certain on this point. Faith and reason will not contradict, and the teaching of the faith proves that the universe had a beginning.

If the Faith were false, and science did prove that the universe had no beginning, all Christians would be up a creek. I don't understand why you think Thomists in particular would be.

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