Whoever the philosopher: There was a time when real observables weren't, i.e., did not exist, and all of the subsequent palaver of scholastics-and following-seem, IMO, games, however pleasant.

But it is said (1 Cor 2:10)
this God has revealed to us through the Spirit.
For the Spirit scrutinizes everything, event the depths of God.

And it is also said (1 Cor 2:11)
Among human beings, who knows what pertains to a person except the spirit of the person that is within? Similarly, no one knows pertains to God except the Spirit of God.

It is to be said that God is spirit. The Trinity one God. Thus simple knows HIMSELF.

lol ok...look i just don't see how all of this can mean absolutely nothing how it can be a meaningless fluke some kind of cosmic accident totally bereft of meaning; trillions of atoms calling themselves william davis, typing, thinking ponder eternity infinity etc. but all without purpose without telos etc.

call me skeptical of atheism...it takes too much faith ;) imho

The idea that nothing matters is completely in your head too. Why is that more true than other value systems? It isn't.
Buddhists and other religions don't believe in judgement or an afterlife (some believe in reincarnation) and they do fine. From your comments, it's pretty clear the world is better off if you're Catholic, as you sound like a sociopath (no offense intended but seriously, murdering children). It's possible that religions like Christianity can help some, though obviously not all, sociopaths. Good luck with your mental health :)

Sure, but insofar as the persons are not identical to each other, no one person is intelligible as another: their intelligibility as themselves is restricted to themselves and from everything else, even if it is mutually porous.

he wouldn't, they would; you have a choice in things don't you? plus he's a Perfect judge so don't worry no wrongful convictions.

Assuming for the sake of the argument that there is a good God, I for one refuse to believe that he would ever condemn any of his children to eternal torment. ANY of them.

The problem is that relations are not intelligible at all without the terms to which they relate. The Father is not intelligible at all apart from his relation to the Son and Spirit (and so on around the circle). If you attempt to think of the Father apart from the Son and Spirit, you're not thinking of the Father at all, you're talking about something else. What the Father is is his relation to the Son and Spirit.

So it's not just the case that we cannot understand the Father apart from the Son and the Spirit; it's the case that the Father is only intelligible as related to Son and Spirit. That by virtue of which we know the Father and in virtue of which the Father is intelligible immediately includes the whole of the Son and the Spirit. Or, put differently, the Father, Son and Spirit are mutually porous in a way that the one does not restrict the other (precisely, again, because they are not individuals). Subsistent relations don't necessarily have a restricted mode of being as do substances or relations between substances.

Wow, thanks, this is very in depth. I'm the librarian for my church, so maybe I will have to get Summa Theologica in there :) Will look closer at your responses later. Spanish class in one hour and still haven't finished homework :P Thanks again!

it's better than materialism first bc it at least means it is "real" rather than the random bumping into each other of trillions of atoms into other clumps of trillions of atoms.

anything at all even withcraft even the most barbaric primitive pagan cult is better bc it at least means it's "real" whereas if materialism is true we are not even self aware but are like i said clumps of material that somehow think they are aware but are no more aware than a streetcar or a calculator.

as long as there is judgement and an afterlife the ppl who want to be forgiven will be and the ppl who don't want to be will have to live with what they did but also the ppl who were victims will have to accept the forgiveness.

it is at least real hope.