极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead? https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Thu, 23 May 2019 22:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Michael Murray https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-199640 Thu, 23 May 2019 22:50:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-199640 In reply to Sample1.

I think I've been collateral damage :-)

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ficino https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-199619 Thu, 23 May 2019 12:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-199619 In reply to Sample1.

He’s being very un-dude.

Yeah, well, that's, like, just your opinion, man.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Sample1 https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-199618 Thu, 23 May 2019 02:20:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-199618 In reply to Alexandra.

Odd, his profile image. He’s being very un-dude.

Mike

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极速赛车168官网 By: Sample1 https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-199611 Thu, 23 May 2019 00:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-199611 In reply to Michael Murray.

I don’t care if people are profane, IA is famous for that, but if they don’t have anything else to offer (and IA always has the goods) then I break out my hibachi and fire it up.

Wink wink nudge nudge.

Mike

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ryan https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-175981 Mon, 17 Apr 2017 04:25:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-175981 The number of ridiculous questions you pose in 'support' of any specific argument is inversely related to your certainty in your 'conclusion'. You failed to properly contemplate your points and instead linked words to support pre-conceived personal conclusions. I have some questions for you. is it hard to believe the disciples lied a little to justify their life's work? You out a lot of confidence in the lack of conflicting accounts, but that is only in the Bible...the church altered, removed or revoked the MANY other accounts. Have you read the Dead Sea Scrolls? How can anyone ever 'start a debate' if the outcome is predetermined in faith on one side.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Andre V. https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-116970 Sat, 02 May 2015 10:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-116970 In reply to Gary.

Simple. On that version the guards would have arrived at the tomb a day later, would probably have looked inside, and would have raised the alarm themselves, if for no other reason than to absolve themselves of disciplinary action against them. The record does not show such an event.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Gary https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-116967 Sat, 02 May 2015 06:33:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-116967 The only author in the Bible who mentions anything about guards being at the tomb, Matthew, says that the guards were not posted until the next day after Jesus body had been placed in the tomb, and, even though Joseph of Arimethea had rolled a great stone in front of the tomb, he had not sealed it. So, the tomb of Jesus was left unguarded and unsealed the entire first night, in the darkness, and probably part of the next day. That would provide ample time and ample opportunity for someone to have moved or stolen the body.

So even if the biblical account of the “guards at the tomb” story is correct, the fact that there is a time period when the tomb was left unguarded, blows a hole in the Christian claim that a resurrection is the best explanation for the empty tomb and the disciples’ belief that Jesus had been resurrected. For instance, if grave robbers had taken the body, the Jews would say that the disciples took the body and the disciples would say that Jesus had fulfilled his prophecy and had risen from the dead.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-73640 Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:37:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-73640 In reply to NowHereThis.

Excellent comment.

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极速赛车168官网 By: William Davis https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-73589 Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:48:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-73589 In reply to Randy Gritter.

I concede defy all probability is a different category than highly improbable, but it is also in a different category than your original statement "He also admits no amount of evidence would ever convince him of a miracle." Pretty close, however I have to admit, but I suppose we are both exaggerating a bit to make our point.
I only took issue because most (not all) Christian criticisms have been fraught with character attacks, which I find to be childish and unprofessional. The man was originally an evangelical Christian who lost his faith through studying the Bible historically. Give him some credit, though he certainly is wrong on some points (everyone is), he puts together a compelling explanation of many things in christian history using historical methods that have been standardized and applied to all aspects of history. If historians start accepting miracles, then they would have to behave as if all of the mythologies of all religions and peoples are true. As you can see, historical record would quickly become a quagmire. If Christians want to convince others of their faith, they need to present an impeccable character, and answer scholarship with scholarship. In some ways we are touching on an inherent incompatibility of the superstition in religion and rationality. Belief in that superstition, however is the essence of religious faith.
I was raised in a protestant Christian environment, only went to Christian schools until college. One thing that always bothered me (when I actually believed) was why did God make everything so that it looked like he doesn't exist. No more miracles anymore (I do not give any credit to backwater, snake charming healers), he doesn't appear to people any more...nothing. So much never made sense, and the older I became, the clearer it became that the whole thing was man made. For a while I resentful, feeling like I had been lied to, but as I've grown in understanding, I believe religion, of some type or other, to be necessary for most people to make sense of things, and I have become to appreciate it as a form of art (and it has created so much art).
As you can see, my story is a bit like Bart's, so in some sense I see personal attacks on him as personal attacks on me (as Christians see attacks on other Christians). Disagree, and argue all you want, but leave the character attacks and accusations of bias out, and I'll be a perfectly happy camper. Thanks for conversing.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Randy Gritter https://strangenotions.com/did-jesus-really-rise-from-the-dead/#comment-73490 Mon, 24 Nov 2014 23:58:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4319#comment-73490 In reply to William Davis.

A resurrection would be a miracle and as such would defy all “probability.” Otherwise, it wouldn’t be a miracle. To say that an event that defies probability is more probable than something that is simply improbable is to fly in the face of anything that involves probability.

These are his words. He does put "defies probability" and "highly improbable" in different categories. Any number of highly improbable events is more likely than one even that defies probability.

Why doesn't St Paul mention the empty tomb? He met the resurrected Jesus. That was his evidence. Besides, he never wrote to a Jerusalem audience. In Jerusalem the empty tomb would have been something you could check. Someone in Corinth or Phillipi might not find it nearly as convincing.

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