极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Is Reality Just What We Think It Is? https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:04:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Virginia Diedlaff https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-211343 Sun, 02 Aug 2020 21:04:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-211343 I, too, question how the authors' jump from the quantum level to the classical level of physics. Yet Dr. Wiker's brief argument fails to do justice to the book's longer one. that argument is far more sophisticated than the one Dr. Wiker refutes here.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Man of the Hour https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-159199 Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:32:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-159199 In reply to Sqrat.

In that conception, the bullet would kill the person, but the soul would still exist to find out about it, allowing for collapse, and ultimately escaping the ridiculous solipsistic notion that your body is necessary for reality to exist.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Man of the Hour https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-159198 Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:28:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-159198 In reply to David Nickol.

Biocentricism, in my opinion, works best with atheism. If there is just a wavefunction evolving endlessly and unintelligently, the second it produces consciousness, the entire past collapses from there. Biocentricism then is not remotely idealism, but as it were, solipsistic materialism, of the same sort as the proponents of the weak anthropogenic principle, only much worse.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Man of the Hour https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-159197 Mon, 29 Feb 2016 12:25:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-159197 I think Lanza is missing what you're missing. The macro world is emergent from the quantum world, and does suffer from things still being probabilistic and varying slightly with respect to how we look at it, only the effects are masked because the density matrices describing the state of macroscopic systems diagonalize quickly. Going from probabilities to actuality still requires an observer :P. His argument makes the mistake of assuming that all probabilities are sampled (as in a many worlds situation) instead of self collapsing (as in Penrose's objective reduction, or Von Neuman-wigner terminating collapse). It also make the painfully nerve wracking mistake of assuming consciousness started with humans or biological life (which is a dualist/materialist fallacy), instead of being here from the beginning, embedded into nature itself. If we take a step into the Wigner's friend thought experiment, we realize that it doesn't matter if one reads the result of a measuring device or gets the information from a conscious person to affect a quantum system by the increment in information. Moreover, we see that the observer plays no preferred role, since the human's brain is entangled with the system as much as the measuring device. If taken in a truly monist manner, one would learn that measurement (and the relative collapse associated with it) is a physically identical process to observation. That, however, would mean that elementary particles have always been able to "observe" in some sense- since the Big Bang. Additionally, one would note that large scale entangled systems, such as the human brain, constitute minds as well (even if the brain works classically and post decoherence, this would remain true). What this would mean is that life would be something the universe could naturalistically tend to. Systems of particles would tend toward larger complexity in order to gain some form of sentient autonomy. Taken one step further, we would find a monistic God exists as well. Since quantum gravity implies that the whole universe is an entangled state, the universe itself would be the ultimate physical observer. Add in the quantum Zeno effect, by which a measurer can control a quantum system's evolution by successively making new measurements, and we can see that this observer can control all the particles of the universe by merely focusing. Lastly, since quantum gravity implies that spacetime and matter are both emergent from quantum information, we see that this mind, which is made of said information, can generate the universe from this information, with no time, space, matter, or energy, from pure platonic thought. Moreover, this mind is eternal due to the Wheeler DeWitt equation, and can think thoughts that aren't directly matter, in the same way we do. So we see that the mind is more fundamental than the universe itself, affirming Palamite panentheism, and that it has a certain logic built into it - a Logos, as it were. Since it is running computations, they scale up in complexity by virtue of having lots of quantum bits and conscious agents contained within them. We see then that we have a naturalistic designer, who is necessarily undesigned, yet infinitely intelligent- as well as a design process that itself generates the intellect necessary to fine tune existence.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Howard https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-37693 Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:19:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-37693 "The strangle paradoxes of quantum mechanics do not appear on the macroscopic level." Yes, they do; there are a number of macroscopic quantum effects.

There are other problems with the idea presented here, though. Even if an intelligent observer is necessary to resolve reality out of a condition of vague potentiality, so what? Why should it be necessary for reality NOT to be in a condition of vague potentiality?

Secondly, quantum mechanics is not self-evidently true. It must be justified on the basis of the scientific method -- a method which presumes that there is an OBJECTIVE reality which exists for all observers. (Yes, as we have learned more, we find that some things we would have thought were parts of that objective reality are not, while other things we never had guessed existed appear to be parts of it. At some basic level, though, there is still assumed to be an objective reality.) There is a serious problem with trying to use quantum mechanics as the means by which an observer creates the reality that contains quantum mechanics (to say nothing of himself!).

Thirdly, it appears that most of the universe is AT BEST indirectly observable by intelligent corporeal life. This is true whether we are talking about "per unit volume" or "per unit mass-energy". It is probably also true regarding time: we know of no corporeal life more than a few billion years old, and for the first billion years or so the universe would have been incapable of supporting life as we know it.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Noah Luck https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-37519 Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:20:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-37519 There are lots of writers like Lanza who bundle life and consciousness and quantum mysticism in a New Age pseudoscience, sadly.

I recently read a book with much more interesting things to say on a similar topic, Russell Standish's Theory of Nothing. I wouldn't claim to believe the ideas in the book. I'd classify the ideas as scientifically plausible and science fictionally way cool. Some of them make testable predictions, too -- that's always the best way to avoid falling into pseudoscientific thinking.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Noah Luck https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-37518 Wed, 27 Nov 2013 21:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-37518 In reply to David Nickol.

Interesting relativistic complication: it's not just that light has a certain speed, it's that the speed of light is the speed at which causation propogates through space. If the sun winked out of existence, both the sun's light and that moment that it winked out of existence would take 8 minutes to get to us. There's fundamentally an eight-minute gap between the instantaneous "now" at the sun and the instantaneous "now" at the earth. For any timespan shorter than 8 minutes, the sun and the earth are virtually in different universes. It's only timespans longer than 8 minutes that encompass both the earth and the sun.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Andrew G. https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-37489 Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:41:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-37489 In reply to David Nickol.

When an argument devolves to debating the meaning of a word, treating that as though it makes any difference to anything, then it has lost all relation to reality. In such a case the only solution is to reframe the argument in more specific terminology.

As for the "real" meaning of words, see 37 Ways That Words Can Be Wrong

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-37473 Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:30:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-37473 In reply to Andrew G..

When the one says "yes" and the other says "no" to the question of the sound of a tree falling in an uninhabited forest, they are not disagreeing over anything that exists in the real world . . . .

But in the real world, there is a difference between a tree falling in the forest with no one there, and a tree falling in the forest with someone there anatomically and physiologically capable of hearing.

. . . . they are only disagreeing over what the word "sound" means

So? Are you saying there is no room for disagreement about what is meant by sound? And isn't it very much the job of philosophy to raise questions about what is really meant by words like sound and whether or not they are fuzzy or ambiguous?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Andrew G. https://strangenotions.com/is-reality-just-what-we-think-it-is/#comment-37471 Wed, 27 Nov 2013 17:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3874#comment-37471 In reply to David Nickol.

When the one says "yes" and the other says "no" to the question of the sound of a tree falling in an uninhabited forest, they are not disagreeing over anything that exists in the real world, they are only disagreeing over what the word "sound" means.

Likewise, colour is a related set of concepts which normally correspond closely enough to each other that we don't have to sweat the fine differences in most contexts. But there is no point in trying to play definitional games with it; if you want to draw finer distinctions, then use more specific terminology rather than trying to artificially limit the usage of existing words.

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