极速赛车168官网 Comments on: What if We Lived in a Simulated Universe and Worshiped a Pimply Teenager? https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:34:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: George Kapotto https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-177831 Mon, 10 Jul 2017 14:34:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-177831 While appreciating that having a pimply teenage god still does not answer the ultimate origin question, I think Dawkins et al are conflicted on a logical point.

It has always been their contention that man is not unique and requires no divine spark to exist. Ergo, we can envision the creation of conscious artificial entities. These entities, like us, would be subject to a sensory dataset which in their case we would control. We would fully define their perception of the universe. The implication is that a simulated reality is simply real to the one or more entities that it contains.

So Dawkins is faced with a choice. If consciousness can be (will be?) created then there are 'small g' gods out there - pimply faced, in a lab coat, etc. Otherwise the human essence is forever ineffable and we are more directly and intimately linked to an ultimate God who had a hand in creating it all. Either way, there is the need to acknowledge at least some form of higher power which directly conflicts with his world view.

Being a computer simulation does open up interesting/weird possibilities such as having our lives unknowingly reset to play through key events over and over, non-random 'acts of God', time travel, teleportation and other 'miracles', software upgrades, paradigm shifts in reality (heaven/hell), etc.

Unfortunately, having watched my son play video games, it is not clear that the inhabitants of the game would necessarily each have purpose nor can they necessarily intuit the rules for 'winning' - whatever that may be. For that matter, not all of us need to be fully sentient but that way quickly leads to solipsism.

For now, I feel that the verruca deity is a concept that can't be easily refuted but I feel that it remains an interesting thought experiment at best.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Z https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-164026 Tue, 07 Jun 2016 23:38:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-164026 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

I agree that the "pimply teenager" analogy is at best not serious. But why the "simulation within a simulation"? The world which we call physical could be a simulation within the real, ultimate reality. However we view this world, if it's not the ultimate (say, "spiritual" or "the ultimate reality of consciousness") reality, it is a simulation. In essence, any non-ultimate reality is a virtual reality. So, if God creates this sort of simulations, then either he doesn't want us in his ultimate reality, or it is somehow naturally inaccessible for anyone but God, i.e. simulations are necessary. Or, if the ultimate reality is accessible, then these simulations must be training polygons (or "games") for certain purposes.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Rakesonaplane https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-96402 Wed, 04 Mar 2015 01:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-96402 What about irrational numbers? Has anyone brought that up yet? ....a sequence of never ending, non recurring numbers. I would imagine the programming of that alone would be quite the feat ...and there are quite a few irrational numbers out there if you would pardon the pun ...In fact, infinity dictates any kind of creation ...although infinity can be a bit of an upsetting subject.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Loreen Lee https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-77930 Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:51:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-77930 In reply to Hysen Berisha.

Kant: physical intuitions are: space time, and the universe.
Kant: intellectual intuitions: or what he calls -The Ideas. are: Freedom, Immortality and God. (Two corresponding categories).

Just making a correlation between the empirical and the transcendental 'ideas'. within the concepts he gives in the Critique.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Hysen Berisha https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-77927 Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-77927 In reply to Jim (hillclimber).

Solipsism makes absolutely no sense at all. Not only is it illogical but it's also stupid and irrational.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Hysen Berisha https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-77924 Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:14:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-77924 In reply to Loreen Lee.

What are you talking about. Def not physics or philosophy for that matter. I think you're confused.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Caravelle https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-71697 Fri, 07 Nov 2014 01:18:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-71697 In reply to Ignatius Reilly.

I think that's the exact opposite of what I'm claiming. Obviously we can't currently simulate consciousness, we don't have close to the knowledge or the technology required. And I've been arguing from the start that we don't know that a simulation of consciousness can't be conscious (sorry about the double negative; what I mean is, I'm not saying a simulation would necessarily be conscious but I'm negating the claim that it necessarily wouldn't be; i.e I'm arguing the negation of the claim you just attributed to me).

If you believe a simulation wouldn't be conscious because you don't think consciousness is computable that's completely sensible (though I don't find that particular abstract convincing; they deplore lossy integration for leading to memory damage over time, which I'm pretty sure is how memory actually works... Heck, memory retention and fidelity is one task that computers beat us on easily); it's also a step back from what I was responding to, which was that you "didn't really see how" simulated entities could be sentient. Or do you mean that you don't see how consciousness could be computable either?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Garbanzo Bean https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-71664 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:45:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-71664 In reply to Caravelle.

"I don't know where you get this idea that we can "consider" irrational numbers and computers can't."
I didnt say that, but where does anyone get any ideas? Where do you get the idea that a computer can handle an irrational number?

"Certainly neither can fit an infinity of decimal places in their memory."
Humans (some at least) can actually think about irrational numbers, and we have an idea of infinitude or enlessness in the first place which is required for thinking about irrational numbers. There is no corresponding capability in a computer. Computers are limited strictly to numbers which are rational, and within lower and upper limits. There are no such limits for humans.

"It's not even an intrinsic part of our nature to know irrational numbers exist - that had to be discovered via mathematical proof."
Mathematical proofs are possible to humans because of something intrinsic to our nature. The fact that we can do mathematical proofs says something about us.

"And computers are already able to validate mathematical proofs, which is what you do when you're first taught about irrational numbers."
You dont need to "validate" something you have proven. I am not sure what you are referring to.

"The only part that computers currently can't do is come up with the proof in the first place, but neither can most humans."
The fact that one human can do something which computers cannot possibly do, would be evidence that that human is not a computer-simulated human.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ignatius Reilly https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-71658 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 23:26:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-71658 In reply to Caravelle.

Are you claiming that we can simulate consciousness, but that a simulation could not be conscious?

I am not a dualist. I don't think consciousness is computable.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1405.0126

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极速赛车168官网 By: Caravelle https://strangenotions.com/what-if-we-lived-in-a-simulated-universe-and-worshiped-a-pimply-teenager/#comment-71496 Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:11:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4524#comment-71496 In reply to Ignatius Reilly.

I'm not talking about simulating the Universe, or of us being in a simulation. You're saying you don't think a simulation could be sentient, which is a completely different matter. If we can simulate consciousness then we can set that consciousness in a simulated Universe different from our own, or similar but not identical. They're completely different issues.

As for how a string of ones and zeros can be sentient, how can a set of activation potentials be sentient? Or are you a dualist, in which case: why does an immaterial soul need meat to be attached to? If it's going to be tied to something material you have no idea what the constraints on what that material thing has to be like are.

You seem to still be hung up on the idea of static data in memory, when whatever sentience there is would consist of the changes in that data over time.

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