极速赛车168官网 Comments on: The Stillbirth of Science in Greece https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Wed, 29 Mar 2017 04:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: cheapest essay writing service https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-175526 Wed, 29 Mar 2017 04:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-175526 There is a lot of possibility to developed the science in Greece. This is well place for research and i think most of the people in here are like this developed of technology.

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]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: Jerald Truesdell https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-172795 Mon, 09 Jan 2017 01:08:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-172795 I'm glad to see Jaki's work continued. He does an encyclopedic job in documenting and supporting all these theories. Here's a few more noteworthy points made by Jaki: (1) Sixth century Christian John Philoponus argued for a mechanistic and homogeneous universe (as opposed to an organism), and argued for experimental science - and was possibly rebutted by pagan philosophers. (2) The metaphysical realism of Aquinas and some other scholastics fit perfectly with the physics to come. More specifically, we believe the various UNIVERSAL physical laws are true in the universe, even though they can't directly be observed (they can be approximated, and experimental error explained with secondary and tertiary forces, observational error, etc.) , and that centuries of repeated experimentation, refinement, ever more precise instrumentation, expansion of the sciences to include optics and energy, and so on, was necessary to fully vindicate the metaphysics of Aquinas - a metaphysics that insisted that although we have a universe of particulars, universals exist in nature, and that our rational soul is capable of reasoning with such. So much of the new research program was carried along with a Christian world view that was infused in our cultural matrix over centuries.

Historical reasoning is never purely deductive, and conclusive without doubt. The best we can do is falsify myths with facts, and make a strong case for some interpretation of the stubborn facts of history. Jaki did this very well.

]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: Fabbeyond https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-172333 Wed, 14 Dec 2016 23:14:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-172333 In reply to David Nickol.

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]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: Kevin Aldrich https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-57545 Mon, 25 Aug 2014 22:11:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-57545 In reply to David Nickol.

I believe Judaism and Christianity have unleashed great energies for good in the world.

]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-57503 Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:09:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-57503 In reply to Stacy Trasancos.

I disagree that science vs faith is a big question in modern times. I also disagree that this series engages that issue. The big questions for our times are poverty, climate change, war, disease and so on.

Nothing in this series discusses whether monotheism, Christianity or any theism, or atheism is accurate, but rather that holding some perspectives was an obstacle to the advent of the scientific revolution. At the end of the day science needs a naturalistic perspective to work. Whether one holds that the uniformity of nature is due to a deity or not, is now irrelevant, as long as scientists employ methodological naturalism.

]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-57496 Sun, 24 Aug 2014 22:57:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-57496 In reply to Kevin Aldrich.

Do you believe the origins of modern science in any significant way confirm the existence of the God of Abraham and support the claim that Jesus was God incarnate and founded Christianity?

]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: Kevin Aldrich https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-57494 Sun, 24 Aug 2014 20:11:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-57494 In reply to David Nickol.

When I was an atheist, I would have been interested to know that modern science arose from Christianity, although I would have to define "interested" as "angered and hoping it was not true." Maybe that is just me.

As far as we know, when referring to troll management, those two could easily have meant how to deal graciously with trolls. Trolls do occasionally appear on these pages.

I've never felt Stacy is dismissive. I'd characterize her more along the lines of feisty.

]]> 极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/the-stillbirth-of-science-in-greece/#comment-57493 Sun, 24 Aug 2014 19:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4274#comment-57493 In reply to Kevin Aldrich.

You seem to be saying that it is not important where, when, and why science emerged when it did and not in other places, other times, or other ways. I think you are wrong about that.

I wouldn't want to go too far with the following analogy, but the attempting to locate the various instances of the "stillbirth" of modern science in Ancient Greece, China, Babylon, and Egypt is a little bit like trying to explain why the Battle of Waterloo wasn't fought by the Sumerians. History is about what did happen in particular places, times, and contexts, not about why those things didn't happen in other places, times, and contexts.

Many, many attempts have been made by historians to explain the birth of modern science in Western Europe, with probably the majority of those historians being Christian. I doubt that they would universally endorse the work of Fr. Jaki or Stacy Trasancos, which seems to me to be ultimately much more about religious belief than about history. I think the true nature of the series was clearly revealed in an exchange of comments to one of the earlier posts in the series:

Br. Alexis Bugnolo • 15 days ago

An excellent analysis, uniting theology, philosophy and cultural anthropology.. saying the truth in such a detailed manner is going to rile the likes of those who don't believe in truth, who don't believe God is Truth, who don't believe Christ is the Truth, and who don't believe that the Church helps to arrive at it; not to mention those who do not believe history can teach us about all of the above. Kudos to you! Fight a good fight, and read up on how to manage trolls, since you are walking on Troll country...

Stacy Trasancos Br. Alexis Bugnolo • 15 days ago

Oh my goodness, thank you Br. Bugnolo. What an honor to receive this encouragement from you. Christ is the Truth! I took your advice and read up on troll management. Thank you!

I think that pretty much speaks for itself. Let me add that I have no objection at all for contributors to Strange Notions attempting to demonstrate that "Christ is the Truth" (and, ultimately, the inspiration for modern science). But it is not a topic of direct interest to atheists, nor to Jews, Muslims, and all other "theists" who are not Christians.

By the way, Stacy Trasancos's suggestion that she needed to read up on troll management to deal with potential SN commenters on her posts was not the best PR move by an official contributor here, and her suggestion that the relatively modest number of comments on "this series and on Dr. Brigg's post is more indicative of an inability of atheists to argue against either" is rather startling admission of how highly she regards her own work and how dismissive she is of the atheist commenters here.

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