极速赛车168官网 Comments on: How Do Atheists Define Love? https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 20 Jun 2023 17:41:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: BCE https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-235066 Tue, 20 Jun 2023 17:41:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-235066 In reply to Kal Pur.

hello,
I can't speak for Dawkins (or Dr Marshall)
I'm Catholic. I like people to know my bias..
Atheists may sooth their young childs concerns
(as Dawkins may be doing) by pointing to the wonders of the world
He may replace how God created us out of love and with a will(which he disputes) instead encouraging an elite scientism.
The atheist may express...better to call love what it is
and acknowledge how cues, biochemical or
environmental elicit a response. Just as the sun, we have a very real
measurable relationship to it ( without creating a god myth).
The atheist can further ask how important is the sun? How grand? To your daddy and mommy you are grand! We don't invent
a [ sun ] god, or use resources (temples and sacrifices) a waste
and an abuse.

I hope I'm not offending you. I have friends who are atheists
and they think they are morally superior. They love me
not out of fear or obediance(to a made up god)
, but because they choose to. They remind me all the time how they too are good people. I'm not mocking them.
I do not wish God away.
I'm not in the least antiscience. That would be a contadiction.
I except first cause; atheists deny that.
After they exhaust the moral failings of god they move to how randomness(i.e.no reasons, , decay ) refutes god.
A multiverse might fill in gaps, : no matter(and form) pun to be sure.
the outside things Dawkins says are tidbits of evidendence [ for love] can be distortions. Phenomenon once studied as proof
and replication of cause and effect is suspect.
Can Dawkins give a universal (tested) proof that love is under his operation? He disputes free will.
So many obstacle for atheists to atest to "love"
His daughter is seeking God (again I'm Catholic ) so I see how
he clearly struggles. He doesn't want love to be vapid, his love to
be illusion, so he seeks some (outside himself ) tangible proof.
He says "It [love ] isn't purely inside feelings like the feelings priest call revelations"...
Sorry but Dawkins just drove the bus off nto a swamp.
Priests don't define love.. as purely inside feeling.
He sets up a strawman. by misrepresenting what the church
teaches about love.
He might say the age of the child limited his explaination.
Actually like Hamilton, Wilson and other evolutionary
psycholgist/ethologists what we experience as love
likely arose from kinselection. Hold that for another time.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Kal Pur https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-234771 Thu, 08 Jun 2023 22:55:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-234771 Hello all! My mom sent me this post, because I’m an atheist, and I would love to talk about it all! I’m totally open to discussion, and hope for productive discourse here.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Keith Brian Johnson https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-233486 Tue, 25 Apr 2023 03:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-233486 In reply to Brandon Vogt.

Because love is a feeling, but God--were God real--would be a metaphysical existent. Lions and tigers and tables and chairs metaphysically exist; if ghosts were real, Bertrand Russell's ghost would metaphysically exist; if angels were real, angels would metaphysically exist. But unless you want to say that an individual feels love because there is a metaphysical existent called "love" which, when he feels love, he is perceiving via some sixth sense, or give some other account on which love metaphysically exists, love and God are not the same sorts of things, and love is indeed not a "thing" at all but merely a feeling.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Keith Brian Johnson https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-233485 Tue, 25 Apr 2023 03:12:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-233485 It is quite clear to me that the idea of a unicorn is not a unicorn. There is a difference between what I *mentally experience* and what *metaphysically exists*. I experience my unicorn-idea; an actual unicorn would metaphysically exist, were there any actual unicorns. Now, I do not know how it is that my brain function gives rise to my mental function, but equally clearly, it does; and when I mentally experience my unicorn-idea (some would phrase it as "when I mentally experience having my unicorn-idea"), I *really do* mentally experience it. Similarly, when I feel love, I *really do* mentally experience it. I am therefore a dualist in this sense: my unicorn-idea is not a metaphysically existent unicorn; my feeling of love is not a metaphysical existent called "love." I *do* think that my feeling of love arises from, or is generated by, my brain function--how that can happen (referring to the so-called hard problem of consciousness), I do not know. But I don't see how adding to the cache of metaphysical existents in whose reality I believe by adding a thing called a "soul" would help. And I do not think that a Dawkins-esque account is intended to say that the mommy or the lover somehow *doesn't really feel love*, i.e., that either somehow *doesn't really mentally experience loving feeling*. And without removing that "really does feel" from the account, I don't see how the soul-account gains traction.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Sonya Edwards https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-233175 Fri, 14 Apr 2023 09:22:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-233175 In reply to robtish.

Here, here!! to that

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极速赛车168官网 By: FatCastor https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-231932 Mon, 06 Mar 2023 23:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-231932 In reply to Andre Boillot.

Andre B, we feel sorry for you in your nasty diatribes, not the other way around. Also, thank “God” I didn’t marry you or have any relationship with you in real life….

LOL; Seems the notion of “God” providing a modicum of kindness and morality serves an evolutionary purpose after all. Perhaps even just simply greasing the wheels of our species’ survival by providing helpful blueprints and boundaries for empathetic and species-centered behavior.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Nolita Macht https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-225683 Thu, 17 Feb 2022 06:30:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-225683 Love is a feeling and by that the most beautiful of all feelings. You neither need science, nor a religion to explain it, you simply feel it. When it comes to things like feelings, consciousness and perception of time, I really think that we'll never be able to explain it. It is way to complex. It doesn't matter if we call it the paradox of determinancy and conscience or the paradox of free choice and a deity who knows what's going to happen at the end of time. I could go crazy over that problem or choose to push the off-switch by joining one of the thousand religions that have tried to explain that problem throughout the course of human history.... or just go out there and love... unconditionally, unintentionally unbound by what any Buddha, Allah, Jane, Khali, Satan, Ra, Zeus or Jimmy Hendricks has said about love.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mik Tisdale https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-216608 Tue, 13 Apr 2021 03:10:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-216608 So when two lesbians say I love you is that to advance the species? Or is a more emotional connection? When two gay men say I love you is that two men trying to preserve the species or is that an emotional connection? Is there more than the corporeal? If so the metaphysical and abstract concepts can only be defined by the corporeal and the rest left to mystery in so many words. You can technically put a physics equation to anything. But the force of love is more than 1+1=2.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mark https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-205549 Tue, 03 Dec 2019 16:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-205549 In reply to Sacerdotus.

I won't speak for Dr. Taylor, but if I block someone it is usually because their criticism are personal or they lack critical thinking skills. If his perspective is wrong explain it rather than making ad hominem attacks. Even if he can't see your reply others can and can then judge the validity of your criticisms.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Sacerdotus https://strangenotions.com/atheists-love/#comment-205547 Tue, 03 Dec 2019 07:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3480#comment-205547 In reply to Phil Tanny.

This is pretty much his goal.

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