极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Does Objective Morality Depend Upon God? https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sat, 11 Aug 2018 05:10:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Karun Sagar https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-192826 Sat, 11 Aug 2018 05:10:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-192826 "because we believe that God is Good essentially"

can be replaced with

"because we believe that Hitler is good essentially"

"belief" is subjective, so you've done kamikaze to your own premise.

If you need your unicorn to cope with the unknown, feel free to use it, but please refrain from trying to claim you have insight that those who don't believe in unicorns don't have.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Kobelover https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-185448 Wed, 10 Jan 2018 00:04:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-185448 In reply to Joseph Heschmeyer.

But there are innumerable situations where dishonesty is a virtue. What you are saying is that dishonesty cannot be a virtue, unless there is a situation where a moral absolute trumps the moral absolute of honesty.
Say, I lie to Nazi soldiers about the location of a few Jewish people in Nazi Germany, just to save their lives. I am lying (being dishonest) to save lives.
The only way to square this with God's perfectly good nature, is to say that the certain aspects of God's nature which tell us to save lives is superior to God's truthful nature.
The moral absolute to be truthful, which is derived from God's perfectly good truthful nature is not as important to the moral absolute about protecting life, which is also part of God's perfectly good nature. So, essentially, there are parts of God's nature that are superior to other parts of God's nature.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Kobelover https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-185445 Tue, 09 Jan 2018 23:26:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-185445 In reply to Nicholas Escalona.

If you can't even define what God is, how can you say it exists?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Kobelover https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-185444 Tue, 09 Jan 2018 23:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-185444 So, God is objectively morally good. And objective moral goodness is God.
I can rephrase the moral argument as
1. If God doesn't exist, then God or God's nature doesn't exist.
2. God's nature exists.
3. God exists.
That loses a lot of force doesn't it.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Kobelover https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-185436 Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:03:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-185436 God is goodness seems like an unfalsifiable claim to me, but anyways.
And i am not so sure that you can compare it to liquid is wet. Liquid and wet are scientifically quantifiable, while "God" and "goodness" aren't really. Maybe a distinction without a difference.
If god is goodness, whatever god says must be good. Let's accept that claim for one minute, all though i have no idea how you would prove it. So, if god says you should steal?
Well, a theist would probably say that god would never say to steal because he is good, and being good is contradictory with valuing steal.
An atheist, would then say, that is your definition of goodness or being all-loving, that might not be God's.
The theist would probably then say, my values of goodness is derived from God and every other human's moral goodness is derived from God.
So, essentially, the human idea that stealing is wrong comes from God, so why would God think that stealing is okay?
The problem I have with that is that you can say that the idea that women aren't equal to men is an acceptable view held by many and you can claim that that idea comes from God as well.
The point is that you can hold any moral position on a matter and say it comes from God, if you believe that your moral values come from God.
Thoughts on this. If i have been unclear, I will try to clarify.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Dominic Pasquarosa https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-183086 Sun, 12 Nov 2017 01:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-183086 this is all ridiculous! the whole conversation is all based on a belief system. this sentence, "If I don’t care if the dog gets out, I have no obligation to close the gate". what the hell does "obligation" have to do with whether my caring about my dog and closing or opening a gate? either you close it or you open it, whether you care or not care. it's that simple....you go to all this dialogue every time morality comes into the picture. I MAKE THE DECISION whether something is moral or not moral. I take responsibility for my actions, good or bad.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Hannah Bahrenburg https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-177536 Thu, 22 Jun 2017 12:47:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-177536 Hi, In your first argument are you implying that we are bound to follow Gods Morality? I would agree that their are consequences for not following his morality but it is still our choice. Even so I can by that logic, but I wish you could show how Christian morality does follow your three prong test.

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极速赛车168官网 By: powdereddonuts https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-155977 Thu, 10 Dec 2015 17:42:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-155977 In reply to David Nickol.

I would argue that at the very least Eve had the ability to speak with serpents. Following "the fall". This is no longer the case.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Lazarus https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-153132 Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-153132 In reply to EvilVegan.

Like you, like Richard Swinburne, I'm not a big fan of the Objective Morality argument.
It has several leaks below the waterline, some of which you have alluded to. However, where would you say our sense of morality, our ability to determine and act equitable, fair, balanced, kind, generous and so on originate from?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Lazarus https://strangenotions.com/does-objective-morality-depend-upon-god/#comment-153131 Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:33:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3763#comment-153131 In reply to EvilVegan.

I would love to see you show us how the QV is "more explanatory in scope" than what God is.

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