so much decadent navel gazing, trying to convince yourselves you'll have eternal life and that jeebus loves you.

as the new atheists point out, there's no credible evidence for the existence of a god.

all you do is engage in intellectual contortionism, word games and logic puzzles to convince yourselves that a divine jesus must exist. and so you spend time adjusting your definitions and premises to the end of coming up with an argument that shows a divine jesus must exist.

and yet you can't produce any credible evidence.

it's sad. you're living all in your head, while trying to deny the overarching importance of empirical evidence for your claims about reality.

luckily religions like christianity are in rapid decline throughout the industrialized west. it's becoming clear that your emperor has no clothes--just self-indulgent hair-splitting and wool-gathering.

The candle for your grandfather. :) https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ca65551e335cad7b7a349d0442ce516d0d3c0fecdd592dcb7e40056cd7b4b813.jpg

Okay. Thank you for your response!!

Since the Big Bang at t=0 was the beginning of time and space, it is probably senseless to ask what was "before" the Big Bang.

Yes, it is. However, I don't believe we know that it was the beginning of space and time. There is a unit of time called Planck time, which is 10 to the minus 43 seconds. The last time I checked, our current best science has no idea what was going on between t = 0 and the Planck time. It would follow, it seems to me, that we have even less basis for supposing anything about what could possibly have been happening before t = 0, or whether anything could have been happening. At this point, t = 0 just marks the beginning of the universe as we know it, not necessarily the actual beginning of time itself.

Is it scientifically inconceivable that there are other universa and that something within one of them "caused" the Big Bang to happen?

No, it's not. There are no currently well established scientific principles that rule it out, so far as I'm aware.

So "something" outside our universe, something that already existed, would be at the origin of our laws of physics?

That is possible, but we must never forget that possibility never implies any particular probability. To say that something is possible is just to say that its probability is not zero.

It seems to me the more we discover about the universe, the greater the mystery.

Every answer to a question does seem to raise more questions. Given our current scientific understanding of ourselves and our origins, though, this is to be expected.

If a God exists he is a Deus Absconditus: he is unknowable by the human mind.

It looks that way to me.

if you don't believe in any creator, gods or other supernatural entities, then why not just believe that you just 'pop' from nothing?

Because I see other possibilities besides those two.

then why are you here?

I could ask you to same question.

why read science journals and research papers if you just 'pop'??

You seem to be reading what I write, but you don't seem to be paying attention to what I'm actually saying.

why you don't want any supernatural 'thing'?

What does what I want have to do with any of this?

The last time I checked, there was no scientific consensus on the question of the actual origin of the universe, i.e. what happened at exactly time t = 0.

I am scientifically illiterate but I am wondering. Since the Big Bang at t=0 was the beginning of time and space, it is probably senseless to ask what was "before" the Big Bang. Although...Is it scientifically inconceivable that there are other universa and that something within one of them "caused" the Big Bang to happen? So "something" outside our universe, something that already existed, would be at the origin of our laws of physics? In that case we cannot say that something came from nothing.
It seems to me the more we discover about the universe, the greater the mystery. It also seems that at the moment we almost have "caught" or debunked "God", he recedes a bit farther. If a God exists he is a Deus Absconditus: he is unknowable by the human mind.