极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Do Atheists Believe in God After All? https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Fri, 09 Aug 2024 14:52:22 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Eivind Einarsen https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-228872 Fri, 14 Oct 2022 10:30:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-228872 In reply to Steven Miller.

There is of course the other possibility of Lewis stealing the example from Chesterton. . .

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ficino https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198048 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 11:00:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198048 In reply to David Nickol.

Ι have the impression that theistic personalism is the position that holds that God is a person. On this view, God is a subject Who possesses every necessary attribute of a person to a maximal degree; God is maximally wise, His will is minimally constrained and thus maximally able to make choices, etc. On this thesis, there is a natural kind, if you will, "person," and God is the supreme instance or member of the kind. God and other persons thus are members of a common genus.

Thomists and others reject theistic personalism (If I have characterized it right) because they deny that God is a member of any kind. They hold that personal attributes can be said of God - although the referent of all of those is identical, i.e. God's essence which is identical with His existence, and there is no real subject-attribute distinction in God. For Thomists, God is not a member of any genus or kind. So God is not "a" anything.

I have read Wm. Lane Craig asserting that God is "a" person, but I don't have a citation to hand.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198045 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 04:07:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198045 In reply to David Nickol.

Here's one other question that I will throw in for lack of anything else to tie it to. Is it correct to say, "God is a spirit"? Doesn't that imply that God can be classified as one thing (spirit) among others? Even if he did create the others, doesn't call him a spirit raise the same problem as calling him a person?

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198043 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 04:00:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198043 In reply to Mark.

I suspect that for most people who lose their faith, there is a large element of feeling involved, and a course in classical theism probably won't help that. And it probably shouldn't (if I dar say so). As I understand the Catholic view of the concept of

faith,

it is what comes after belief in the existence of God, not along with it. It is something more like trust than belief, and I don't think one can be argued into it. And while Flew when from being an atheist to a theist, he did not become a Christian or affiliate with any other religion. Wikipedia says he identified as a deist.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198042 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 03:47:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198042 In reply to David Nickol.

Also, what is aphilosophical, and is it accurate or fair to say theistic personalism is aphilosophical? If nothing else, my spell checker objects to it!

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198041 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 03:44:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198041 In reply to Mark.

For those seeking truth and certainty, theistic personalism is aphilosophical and as such is vulnerable to crisis.

Could we get from you, or @dennisbonnette:disqus, or @Jimthescott, or anybody else, a clear definition of theistic personalism? Is it a clearly defined term, and is it used widely rather than just in discussions of Brian Davies' work?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Sample1 https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198039 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 03:40:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198039 In reply to Mark.

I’d rather have a philosophical aneurysm than a physical aneurysm.

And yet, in a sense, atheists are being warned that some philosophical aneurysms exist. :-p

Mike

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mark https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198038 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 02:16:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198038 In reply to Sample1.

Agree on the No true Scotsman. It was a cryptic message. Richard Dawkins is still a philosophical aneurysm

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极速赛车168官网 By: Sample1 https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198037 Sat, 06 Apr 2019 01:56:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198037 In reply to Mark.

The Clergy Project is simply a counterpoint to her claim that many atheists simply don’t believe in the God label commodity. Maybe, (though I’m skeptical about “many” and it didn’t apply to me). But what is to be said of ex-clergy who didn’t believe in her mere commodity description but had faith instead?

I’m sensing an inference to the informal fallacy called the No True Scotsman and was hoping some further discussion would clarify humanfamily’s beliefs.

Mike, excommunicated

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极速赛车168官网 By: Mark https://strangenotions.com/do-atheists-believe-in-god-after-all/#comment-198032 Fri, 05 Apr 2019 20:51:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4515#comment-198032 In reply to Sample1.

If you're a clergyman or woman having a crisis of faith, the people who have faith in your faith should not be deceived. So I can see the moral good of the Clergy Project, even though Richard Dawkins, the inspiration behind the project, is a philosophical goldbrick (that's as kind as I can get). I'd think clergy experiencing a crisis of faith, however, deserve a crack at good theistic philosophy first. For those seeking truth and certainty, theistic personalism is aphilosophical and as such is vulnerable to crisis. Putting the shoe on the other foot, I want an atheist to come to know the God of philosophy like Anthony Flew and not leave atheism non-belief out of fear of wrath. Leave a (non)belief system for right reason.

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