All you did was pull bullshit right out of your ass. You just say what ever comes to your mind. If I say "Goddit", does that explain anything? Of course not. I you are making a claim(no matter if it's positive or negative), you have the burden of proof.

That is just stupid...

Bizarrely, I hear the charges against us, with which this article starts, mostly from my 'non-denominational' Evangelical friends.

That said, if you suggest their 'non-denominational' mindset differs little from that of a Secular Relativist, they suddenly come over all prissy and dogmatic, just like Secular Relativists... :)

The difference is, Catholics are not in denial of dogma. Dogma gives thought structure, as you say.

They, on the other hand, simply don't admit it. However, if they did, they'd see just how embarrassingly erroneous their non-denominational/Relativist mindset is.

A priest once told me that the three things that cause most of the problems in the church were......legalism, clericalism and triumphalism.

YOU WROTE
The Catholic system doesn't adequately deal with the effects of
non-ideal people.

MY RESPONSE
I don't know what you mean by this? Do you mean that Catholics don't behave well? Or do you mean that the Catholic Church doesn't have structures in place to deal with bad behavior by Catholics?

You cite the pedophilia cover up as an example of a barbarity done in the Catholic name or for Catholic reasons.

1. There is nothing Catholic about doing that evil or covering that evil up. In no way is pedophilia sanctioned. It is completely evil, despite the fact that people did it and bishops and religious superiors didn't act well in response to learning of it.

2. If you actually look at the reality, you would see the extraordinary lengths that Catholic institutions that deal with children have gone to protect children. I could spell some of them out if you wish.

We've only discussed bad consequences of legal euthanasia. We haven't even touched on the actual grounds.

"If you want to pursue this, I'll book mark it and promise to get back to you."

Don't trouble yourself on my account. I'm happy to let your euthanasia claims rest on shaky ground.

-Enjoy the weekend.

Andre, due to a bunch of other things (and my mental distractability limit), I can't give this thread the attention it deserves. If you want to pursue this, I'll book mark it and promise to get back to you.