极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Coming to our Senses: The Anagogical Sense of Scripture https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Mon, 06 Jan 2014 23:27:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Cubico https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41673 Mon, 06 Jan 2014 23:27:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41673 I am very impressed with the author's use of the word "Anagogical" which sent me scurrying to my dictionary. Could he not have said "allusions to the afterlife"? I suppose use of the word "anagogical" is more impressive no doubt. Again the story of the emperor's new clothes come to mind. Speak English will you....or is this a site only for the the philosophical crowd?

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极速赛车168官网 By: Noah Luck https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41609 Mon, 06 Jan 2014 04:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41609 In reply to Rob Tisinai.

It's not just the anagogical foreshadowings that for Catholics can only be identified in retrospect with the aid of the Church. The literal, allegorical, and moral senses of scripture, for Catholics, can also only be identified in retrospect with the aid of the Church. The three other posts on the senses of scripture all took pains to be clear that it's not about what the actual text says, it's about what the Church says. If the Church teaches something, then Catholics are free to find support for it in the Bible wherever they like, as literally or figuratively as they like. If the Church teaches the negation of something, then Catholics are forbidden to find support for it in the Bible, often negating the literal sense of a text by giving it an alternative figurative sense. And if the Church is silent on something, then Catholics are permitted to speculate based on the Bible mostly as they please so long as they don't stray into any interpretive novelty. Many atheists are more familiar with the Protestant approach by which scripture is the primary source, but that familiarity can trip them up when conversing with Catholics.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Noah Luck https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41607 Mon, 06 Jan 2014 03:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41607 In reply to llllanillo.

Documented?

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41596 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:20:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41596 In reply to Argon.

Actually, the Old Testament says nothing about a Messiah. The concept arose within Judaism after the Old Testament was completed. Christians, accepting Jesus as the Messiah, go back to the Old Testament and look for what they believe to be references to Jesus (in Isaiah, for example) and then claim to have found references to the Messiah in the Old Testament. But if you use one of the sites that allows you to search the whole Bible, such as Bible Gateway, you can do a search of the entire Bible and see that the word messiah is not found in the Old Testament.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Argon https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41593 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 17:06:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41593 In reply to David Nickol.

I agree. The Old Testament would seem to suggest that at best, one would expect a Jewish messiah, not an omni-messiah.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter Piper https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41592 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 14:32:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41592 In reply to David Nickol.

Also the following:

And it is not until Christ reveals it that we are clearly informed that the stake for which we are playing—have always been playing—is nothing less than Heaven or Hell.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41591 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:08:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41591 As David Nikol has pointed out this post states that Catholics read the Old Testament after accepting the premise that God exists and all of the events discussed were part of his plan.

The piece neither justifies the premise or the textual analysis nor does it explain how to undertake this form of textual interpretation. Other than the implied premise that if you do not presume God exists and that the Old Testament is harmonious with the New, there will be conflicts.

Ultimately, this post and the others go to explain how, once you accept God, how you can interpret away the conflicts between the Old and New Testaments that are otherwise obvious indications that there is no unity between these texts. For those who have not accepted that any Gods exist or that Jesus is God, this approach is silly. Jews who met Jesus and fervently believed in Yaweh were not convinced that his story was foretold by the Old Testament are are not to this day.

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极速赛车168官网 By: DAVID https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41586 Sun, 05 Jan 2014 03:57:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41586 In reply to David Nickol.

Mark might have been speaking a little hyperbolically. But I think there's still a valid point. My reading of that quote is that our lives are nothing to be complacent about. A person can sleep their way to Hell thinking that nothing is a "big deal." Instead, we would have to "wake up" and see that even our throw-away moments contain an implicit decision to embrace Heaven or Hell.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Loreen Lee https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41546 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41546 In reply to David Nickol.

My understanding is that the translation in Hebrew proceeds from the alphabet to the number, that the letter represents the number because there is no notation for the latter. This account of Barnabas thus seems to be a bit 'backward'. Yes?

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/coming-to-our-senses-the-anagogical-sense-of-scripture/#comment-41545 Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:24:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3947#comment-41545 In reply to Rob Tisinai.

Christians seem to believe that the Old Testament is full of references to Jesus, but that they can only be discovered after the fact with the aid of supernatural help. And yet the Jews are blamed for not recognizing Jesus as the Messiah because the Old Testament is filled with prophecies of his coming.

It would seem that the Old Testament did a very poor job of foreshadowing the coming of the Messiah when, as it turned out, nobody expected that kind of Messiah.

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