极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Finding God’s Dice https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: Ararxos https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-73556 Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:37:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-73556 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

You are wrong. God knows our choices which are determined by us, He doesn't chose for us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMp30Q8OGOE

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极速赛车168官网 By: duhem https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53722 Mon, 23 Jun 2014 12:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53722 There is the Conway/Kochen Free Will Theorem that asserts the free will of quantum entities. See

http://rationalcatholic.blogspot.com/2014/02/do-quantum-entities-have-free-will-and.html

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极速赛车168官网 By: Peter https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53652 Sat, 21 Jun 2014 07:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53652 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

If God chooses to momentarily suspend the laws of nature as in, say, miracles, then they are the opposite of random. Furthermore, matter created out of nothing does not necessarily contradict the laws of nature and is consistent with our current scientific hypotheses.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Quanah Jeffries https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53590 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:41:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53590 In reply to Brian Green Adams.

For a theist perhaps; for a deist definitely, but for the Jew or Christian there is no problem presented by the universe being indeterminate. God's omniscience is not based on knowledge of how everything works nor is His knowledge related to time. The Christian understanding of God's transcendence and being eternal makes His knowledge not a differing degree from our, but wholly other than ours. This is what people like Stephen Hawking seem to not appreciate when they say we'll know the mind of God when we discover the unifying theory/law of all things and are able to explain the great mysteries such as the big bang and black holes. I do not at all think it is unreasonable to think it possible for us to attain such knowledge (though I find it highly unlikely). However, all we will have done is be able to explain the processes of the universe in it's entirety and make more accurate predictions. There would still be other questions beyond our reach.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Quanah Jeffries https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53580 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:15:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53580 In reply to Danny Getchell.

I vote for (2) as well, but I don't think it leads to deism. In the example of a London made of legos, the Designer could walk away after making and programming the first block. However, in the lego scenario there is no chance involved. That is the point of the article: classical physics doesn't allow for chance and quantum mechanics is all about chance. In other words, with quantum mechanics no thing has to be the way that it is. Considering the great number of factors involved for the development of intelligent life it screams for something more than a deist conception of God to me.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53574 Fri, 20 Jun 2014 12:34:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53574 In reply to Peter.

Unless you believe in God, in which case things like, gravity, the laws of motion, and so on are more like house rules you give to children that can be suspended and re-written on a whim and all matter can be created out of nothing through sheer will. Except for that, all laws of the universe are constant.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brian Green Adams https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53558 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:45:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53558 I think this is a fascinating piece thanks. I think it puts forth a pretty interesting problem for theists. It the universe is deterministic, there is no free will. Humans must have free will on Christian theology, therefore it can't be deterministic. However, if it is indeterminite, god can't be all knowing. God knows everything, therefore it can't be indeterminate.

I'm not sure that the author has explained away this problem. I think he just says, god can know everything and there be free will because he's god. He's beyond all that.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53557 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:24:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53557 In reply to Randy Gritter.

Yes, but you need that as an additional premise to arrive at determinism.

I am not sure what difference it makes—at least to those of us who lean strongly toward materialism—if the brain can be completely explained by classical mechanics or if quantum mechanics must be brought into it. Now and then I have seen speculation that the brain may be subject to quantum effects, and that that (somehow) can be used as an explanation of how determinism is false and "free will" can exist. But I can only imagine that "freeing up" the brain in this manner—exempting it from determinism—couldn't account for "free will." It would just add an element of true randomness to the working of the brain, not some kind of special power to make "free" choices.

It is a statement about science that science is nowhere close to proving.

Science doesn't prove statements about science. And of course science has not "proven" that quantum effects don't enter into the baking cupcakes. It seems to me that good neuroscientists will make the working assumption that the brain can be explained by classical mechanics until they bump up against something that classical mechanics can't explain, which may be never.

It seems to me that it may very well be the case that believers in things spiritual (like souls) may be clinging to the mind/brain as yet another "gap" which only theology, not science, can explain and will have to keep retreating a bit every time neuroscience advances.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Paul Brandon Rimmer https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53549 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:59:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53549 In reply to Randy Gritter.

It is true that no one knows for sure. But, as far as I know, neuroscientists have not yet needed to concern themselves with quantum physics. Maybe this will change. Until then, it seems reasonable to treat the brain as a purely classical system.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Randy Gritter https://strangenotions.com/finding-gods-dice/#comment-53548 Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:35:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=4187#comment-53548 In reply to Paul Brandon Rimmer.

Yes, but you need that as an additional premise to arrive at determinism. It is a statement about science that science is nowhere close to proving. That is that classical mechanics can explain ALL brain activity. We are a long was from fully explaining everything the brain does.

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