极速赛车168官网 Comments on: The Folly of De-Baptism https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Sat, 23 Nov 2024 19:37:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: René Borg https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-260407 Sat, 23 Nov 2024 19:37:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-260407 It's a different perspectice for those of us who are gnostics and see the modern Christian church as a front for the demiurge. We are obviously very interested in spiritual means to break any bond with this entity that sits behind the church so we do not continue to be bound to it once we pass into the next cycle. Essentially as we view it, we were (against our will as children) marked to an entity we consider malevolent - the prison guard of the current reality.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Roger https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-163657 Sun, 29 May 2016 20:23:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-163657 In reply to Howard.

Much more important? Have you no self pride? This Fr. Baron makes a living upon you ignorance.
You'd do best to stand up, question the authority of these bullshit artists and Charlatans, unless you like the land of make believe.

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极速赛车168官网 By: MoeKiller https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-147208 Fri, 28 Aug 2015 19:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-147208 In reply to David Nickol.

I'll add a few things and that's it.

1. There is no such thing as a "Christian child." At least, no such thing as a "Christian child" or "Muslim child" until the age of 10. Why label by religion? Because of tradition? Because you were born "into" a Christian family? Absurd. Religions aren't communities. They are a set of beliefs, most of them are garbage and subjective. There are communities of people who subscribe to said garbage beliefs, but these people are mostly old enough to have conscious thought about it. Babies and young children know not of subjective and religious thought. They may be curious about new faces, but virgin births, resurrections and the tenets of Christianity fly through their head. If you don't believe in the Semitic-Abrahamic God, you can't be a Christian, a Jew (debatable) or a Muslim (not debatable) and since babies lack belief in God, they are better described as "atheists" since atheism is not active or even positive, but is just there. Babies don't believe in God or any gods, so they're not theists.

2. I resent the fact you didn't quote the Christian or Muslim part. Would you call a baby a Jehovah Witness, simply because they were "born" to the community? Well, hope that baby doesn't get injured, taken to the hospital and dies because of their parent's dumbass labeling and negligence. JWs don't do blood transfusions, so if anything should happen to their child, a fatal occurrence could occur. But it's okay, the "Jehovah's Witness" baby is fine with it. NOW do you see the problem with labeling?

3. The genetic/nationality argument. I'm ethnically Japanese, as I should tell you. My Y-DNA is halpogroup D, a common occurrence within Japanese people. That comes from my dad. I can't help that. My nationality, whilst I can change, it is more of legal document than anything else. I'm a dual Japanese-Canadian citizen. What am I? You could attempt to stereotype me, but my citizenships tell you squat about my personality, political beliefs or way of life. As mentioned before, religion is personal baggage and is highly opinionated. Key word. OPINIONATED. What opinions do kids have about Marxism? None? Then why call Peter a "Catholic"or Sayyid a "Muslim?2 Because their parents are? Give me a break. You can't have it both ways. Either I was a social-democrat at the age of 3, or Peter's not a Catholic. Choose one. It IS the same thing. Both Catholicism and Marxism are opinionated, subjective and often dangerous ideologies not understood by adults, let alone kids below the age of 10. You should teach kids how to think, not WHAT to think. We share DNA with each other as it is. Don't push your silly fairy tales on your children, or you are guilty of abuse. You have no right.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Brandon Vogt https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-143872 Mon, 03 Aug 2015 22:24:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-143872 In reply to David Nickol.

I totally agree with you, David. Well said.

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极速赛车168官网 By: David Nickol https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-143860 Mon, 03 Aug 2015 22:13:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-143860 In reply to MoeKiller.

This is a two-year old debate, and I have little interest in reviving it, but I think Dawkins is mostly (though not entirely) wrong to compare being a Christian or Muslim child to being a "Keynesian child" or a "postmodernist child." Being of a certain religion is more than having a specific set of beliefs. It is being accepted into a community of which the parents are only two members. And certainly by age 4 any child raised in a particular religion has, at least in rudimentary form, the fundamental beliefs of that religion.

Much as I wish it had been possible in my case, I don't see any way to raise children in a "fair and balanced" manner so that they can choose a belief system when they are 12, or 16, or 18, or whatever.

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极速赛车168官网 By: MoeKiller https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-143836 Mon, 03 Aug 2015 20:49:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-143836 In reply to David Nickol.

Atrocious comparison. Your nationality says nothing about your beliefs, politics or person. Religion implies some very subjective opinions, which babies don't have. There is NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN CHILD!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CULGslK2vrw

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极速赛车168官网 By: MoeKiller https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-143833 Mon, 03 Aug 2015 20:43:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-143833 Don't compare religion to ethnicity or nationality. The latter imply cultural and legal implications. You're not saying that babies can believe in Jesus Christ, now do you? Babies aren't old enough to decide whether or not they believe in Christianity, so why isn't de-baptism an option? But okay fine. What about Hitler? What do you say about that? Don't try any revisionist history. Hitler WAS baptized.

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极速赛车168官网 By: dagobarbz https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-118959 Fri, 08 May 2015 04:41:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-118959 Any ritual can be undone. You put magic water on a baby and expect that it's magically changed forever? The kid doesn't even know what's going on! (well, except those dunking Baptists who wait until you're older)

Of course, since it's discussing magical water and spells, it's witchcraft and I want no part of it. I unbaptized myself and never felt better. Out of the sheep pen and into the wild, you might say.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Hardworker50 https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-45019 Sat, 08 Feb 2014 23:36:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-45019 You are baptised - it is done.
You are initiated - it is done.
You are married - it is done.
You can be divorced from marriage - it is done.
You can quit your club of initiation - it is done.
You can reject your baptism - it is done.
The above author is making the erroneous presumption that there is an actual god who is giving him the rules written in stone.
He must then provide this proof in a court of law of the people; he must give undeniable evidence, irrefutable proof of his claims; otherwise as in business it is fraud and his claims are not just unethical but also illegal.

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极速赛车168官网 By: NYPinoy https://strangenotions.com/the-folly-of-de-baptism/#comment-31204 Fri, 27 Sep 2013 18:01:00 +0000 http://strangenotions.com/?p=3656#comment-31204 Yakkity yakkity yak. There is a way to get out of this "graft" with Jesus. The Bible provides for an unpardonable sin. Blaspheme the Holy Spirit and you could never be forgiven. (So, Holy Spirit, I reject and blaspheme thee. Amen.)

That's it. Now, if only the Church remove me from their count so they could not misrepresent their true size.

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