极速赛车168官网 Comments on: Traversing an Infinite? https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/ A Digital Areopagus // Reason. Faith. Dialogue. Tue, 15 Nov 2022 23:50:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.1 极速赛车168官网 By: GEB https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-229314 Tue, 15 Nov 2022 23:50:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-229314 If there is an infinite number of moments that is added to, that is not "forming" an infinite amount by successive addition because the infinite collection would have already been formed. Rather, what is being argued is that an amount of something can not reach an infinite amount by successive addition, not that an infinite amount can be added to.

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极速赛车168官网 By: josephpalazzo https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-225832 Tue, 01 Mar 2022 22:08:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-225832 In a discussion of infinity, one needs to tread very carefully. This is best illustrated by the Hilbert hotel. And it goes as such: suppose you have an infinite number of rooms at the Hilbert hotel, each already occupied. You might be tempted to say that there is "no vacancy" at this hotel. But wait a second, all you need to do is tell everyone to move to the room on the left, and presto you have a vacant room. in fact you can add an infinite number of new guests at your Hilbert hotel, it is never a "no vacancy" hotel. IOW, infinity + infinity = infinity

But more poignant is that in Quantum Field Theory, in the renormalization process, one can subtract infinity from infinity and get a nonzero finite answer! Yet QFT is the most accurate theory ever tested in the history of science.

Now you must keep in mind that math, like language, is an invention of the human mind: Like language, it can be used to describe the real world. But also like language, it can describe a lot of imaginary stuff. The real art, and I use the word "art" deliberately, is to figure out when it describes something real from something nonreal.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ben Champagne https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220299 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:59:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220299 In reply to WCB.

With defining terms needlessly, we simply waste time. We are done here.

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极速赛车168官网 By: WCB https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220297 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:56:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220297 In reply to Ben Champagne.

Without defining terms we simple waste time. We are done here.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ben Champagne https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220293 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:48:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220293 In reply to WCB.

As explained, it is inconsequential. We always talk in 'vague generalities' because we do not have certain knowledge of discretes. We have almost no access to absolute ontologic bounding. Such an issue only arises when the vague nature under contention is variable in such a way that changes the argument being considered. That is not the case here.

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极速赛车168官网 By: WCB https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220290 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:28:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220290 In reply to Ben Champagne.

Obviously here we do.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ben Champagne https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220289 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 12:03:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220289 In reply to WCB.

Incorrect. Unless of course you think all things need absolute ontologic bounding to speak on them.

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极速赛车168官网 By: WCB https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220280 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 06:15:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220280 In reply to Ben Champagne.

Without defining terms, one can only talk in what are essentially vague generalities. Which never works. Max Planck's discovery of quanta, confirmed as real by Einstein, banished Zeno from physics for good. But this silly nonsense from WLC leaves everything undefined and so we get these old Zeno type paradoxes which demonstrate just how useless these sorts of 'sophisticated' theological apologisms get.

It's not even wrong.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ben Champagne https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220279 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:29:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220279 In reply to WCB.

Lol, Zeno's Paradox. Pretty basic stuff that has no ontologic validity. If discretes, no paradox. Simpliciter rules here, so your contention is invalidly formed within the frame. Also, Events itself doesn't necessarily need to be defined. Only if time is defined as a discrete actual would that be the case. The framing makes use of discretes in essential contingency, which means it makes no difference with the possible framing of temporality. It could be separable 'events', all changes themselves being separate contingent actualizations, or it could be a body itself moving in 'units' to which the contingent actualizations conform. The actual size of the unit is indifferent to the argument. When people say 'days' in such arguments, it is shorthand for discrete instantiations, of whatever fashion. There may be congruency issues elsewhere in this regard, but not with regard to the framing of temporality itself.

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极速赛车168官网 By: Ben Champagne https://strangenotions.com/traversing-an-infinite/#comment-220278 Thu, 22 Jul 2021 02:22:00 +0000 https://strangenotions.com/?p=7685#comment-220278 In reply to Tony Scialdone.

While I think you are on a correct track, and OP has so far demonstrated a poor grasp of logic on two successive articles, there is an error in your thinking here. "It's not enough to simply assume infinity without evidence." This isn't necessarily the case in fundamental ontology. Assumptions are required, in fact. The problem is when they but up against incongruity within a frame. Otherwise, good post.

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